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by ekewebb
Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:16 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: David Bowie/Jeff Beck 'Jean Genie'
Replies: 5
Views: 951

Re: David Bowie/Jeff Beck 'Jean Genie'

Tony Visconti had this to say as to why it wasn't in the film. There's not much more to say, except that Jeff Beck was not satisfied with his guitar solo in the film, so we braved a snow storm in December to allow him to rerecord his solo -- only to find out later that it was really his bell-bottom...
by ekewebb
Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:34 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: NEW Blur single. Better news that GY!BE
Replies: 18
Views: 1914

Re: NEW Blur single. Better news that GY!BE

BzaInSpace wrote:Howvever - for those with limited record funds, the good news is that Blur have made the tune available in exchange for an email address, either as an mp3 or wav.

http://www.blur.co.uk/
Note the mp3 is truncated (or was - maybe they've fixed it). The wav is fine.
by ekewebb
Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:34 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Suicide: First vs Second album
Replies: 10
Views: 1859

Re: Suicide: First vs Second album

I'd go a little further than that. The second is one of my favourite albums but the first is in a different league.
by ekewebb
Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:52 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Krautrock - The great decider
Replies: 40
Views: 4693

Re: Krautrock - The great decider

I'm a (fairly) recent convert to Can so I went for them. I think Tago Mago has to be the most exciting and interesting record I've heard in a while. I do have places in my heart for Kraftwerk, Neu! and Harmonia too. I was discussing this poll with my Can-freak friend and he mentioned that he's been ...
by ekewebb
Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:56 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: the 3-Disc Special Edition
Replies: 48
Views: 8284

Re: the 3-Disc Special Edition

I wasn't going to buy it - who needs a legacy edition puffed out with a load of old demos I thought. Then it turned up on Napster, I gave it a go and I loved it. So much care has obviously gone into it and it sounds marvellous. Bought the triple CD version now. That clipping of the last "love&q...
by ekewebb
Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:58 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Fuck Buttons-Tarot Sport
Replies: 21
Views: 2390

Re: Fuck Buttons-Tarot Sport

I liked it I'm afraid. I'm only a Weatherall follower in a very small way but I got that Sci-Fi Lo-Fi compilation he put together a couple of years back and that was a good pointer to the way he's gone with the new one.

Love the Fuck Buttons album.
by ekewebb
Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:57 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: The Spiritualized forum - 120 greatest albums of all time
Replies: 179
Views: 25988

Re: The Spiritualized forum - 50 greatest albums of all time

I only voted for one Spz album due to my thinking it was one album per artist. It's going to be too much heartache to do it all over again so I'll leave it thanks :D
by ekewebb
Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:18 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: The Spiritualized forum - 120 greatest albums of all time
Replies: 179
Views: 25988

Re: The Spiritualized forum - 50 greatest albums of all time

Not happy with this - too white, too old, too rock. But off the top of my head... (EDIT - Oops, a couple of live albums in there. Sorry, but I'm going to leave them. Feel free to remove if you want.) Ali Farka Touré & Toumani Diabaté – In The Heart Of The Moon Associates – Sulk Bhundu Boys...
by ekewebb
Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:38 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Beak> (Portishead-related)
Replies: 21
Views: 2614

Re: Beak> (Portishead-related)

Thanks for that - I didn't know about the blog. I can relax now :)
by ekewebb
Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:04 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Beak> (Portishead-related)
Replies: 21
Views: 2614

Re: Beak> (Portishead-related)

Anyone else excited about this album? I pre-ordered it, as I'm a sucker for limited editions. http://beak.bandcamp.com/ Any news on this? I tried contacting Invada to found out where mine was and have had no reply. The unlimited edition was in the shops Monday so I presume there's some sort of manu...
by ekewebb
Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:52 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: RFH LAG Reviews
Replies: 113
Views: 55316

Re: RAH LAG Reviews

yet another new bass player The last one was asked to leave. He did backing vocals for the Blur gigs while he assumed Spiritualized were in down time. The way I was told the story it was implied that the former was as a result of the latter. As for the Monday gig, as people have said the sound was ...
by ekewebb
Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:24 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: New Order Re-issues
Replies: 19
Views: 2931

Re: New Order Re-issues

I wasn't that upset by the quality either. But still, I've never bought the albums on CD before and I was hoping for a fairly definitive edition so I wouldn't have to do so again and the fact that the transfers are a bit crap is annoying. I sent an email to Rhino yesterday querying the recall and go...
by ekewebb
Fri May 16, 2008 8:24 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Spiritualized - Jools Holland 6th May 2008
Replies: 80
Views: 11733

Re: Spiritualized - Jools Holland 6th May 2008

I'm kind of curious about the bass player myself, does anybody know anything about him? (I might be hallucinating, but that looks like one of the new Fender Jaguar basses he's playing...) He's called Sam Freeman. He's the nephew of someone I work with (who missed seeing him on Later... as he was in...
by ekewebb
Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:16 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Who's waiting for the official release?
Replies: 20
Views: 3296

Re: Who's waiting for the official release?

ekewebb wrote:I should have two days of listening before Koko (if the release date doesn't slip) so that'll have to be enough.
That's that idea screwed then. Now I'm really undecided about whether to download it or not.
by ekewebb
Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:20 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Who's waiting for the official release?
Replies: 20
Views: 3296

Re: Who's waiting for the official release?

I never download stuff ahead of release date, I find it gets too hard to keep up once you start doing that.

I shoud have two days of listening before Koko (if the release date doesn't slip) so that'll have to be enough. See you there Greeny.
by ekewebb
Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:42 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Does anyone know what this is?
Replies: 1
Views: 605

Re: Does anyone know what this is?

It's funky house apparently
by ekewebb
Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:57 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Songs in A&E - Editions
Replies: 217
Views: 29160

Re: Songs in A&E - Editions

I love that ebay listing. The blurb says it's coming out in a "DVD sized book", not "with a DVD", and he's not going to send it out until after the release date of May 26th. So £15.95 plus postage for something you're probably going to be able to get cheaper once it's released a...
by ekewebb
Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:14 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: What's on your Current Rotation List?
Replies: 87
Views: 10326

Re: What's on your Current Rotation List?

duffy Assuming you mean the new one rather than the old one - I saw her in Oxford on Sunday and she was really pretty good. At least three spine-tinglingly good tunes which is amazing for a relatively new pop moppet with a fairly hacky pickup band. I may be being unfair there - they supported her v...
by ekewebb
Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:40 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Unreleased NICK MCCABE
Replies: 13
Views: 2544

Re:

Can any clever soul work out how to save these streaming tracks? Soory for the lateness of this reply but if you use Firefox as your browser there's a free "Download Helper" add-on available which you can use to save myspace music files. And mp3 files from many other sites as well that us...
by ekewebb
Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:38 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: whaddya know about these bands?
Replies: 32
Views: 4413

Re: whaddya know about these bands?

I know that Pantaleimon have spelt their name wrong.

Otherwise nothing I'm afraid. I know the Wooden Shjips, but obviously you do too. I've heard of the Bevis Frond and have images in my head of an unsettlingly proggy type.
by ekewebb
Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:57 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Great one-chord songs
Replies: 34
Views: 4898

Pretty much anything by Suicide.
by ekewebb
Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:06 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: daniel johnston covers
Replies: 11
Views: 2219

Dot Allison has done a lovely cover of Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Your Grievances which is available on I Killed The Monster:21 Artists Performing The Songs Of Daniel Johnston 1. Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Your Grievances - Allison, Dot 2. Worried Shoes - Smith, Daniel (1) 3. Held The Hand - Joy...
by ekewebb
Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:58 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: let it come down lyrics
Replies: 7
Views: 1695

That's right. The card was a cream colour and the type was in white ink. I don't think it was embossed, it was just that the ink was nice and thick so it stood out. The card had a line scored down the middle so that it could be folded in half and stored in the CD package.
by ekewebb
Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:46 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Top 10 records ever(as of 12/1/2006)
Replies: 204
Views: 38058

Spamuel L. Jackson wrote:44) The Doughnut In Granny's Greenhouse - Bonzo Dog Band
Nice to see this in anyone's top anything list :D A great selection all round (what I know of it anyway)...

And as for
Spamuel L. Jackson wrote:60) Lick My Decals Off Baby - Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band
why is this not available to buy on CD?!?!?! :x
by ekewebb
Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:41 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Top 10 records ever(as of 12/1/2006)
Replies: 204
Views: 38058

6. Blue Is The Colour - The Beautiful Top choice. I think your others were albums we would all have chosen but this one is really an overlooked classic. Most people would have plumped for Carry On Up the Charts instead but this, as amazon would have it, "for consistent quality and stylistic va...
by ekewebb
Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:15 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Top 10 records ever(as of 12/1/2006)
Replies: 204
Views: 38058

Here's mine then. Scott Walker - Scott 3 Can - Tago Mago Captain Beefheart - Clear Spot The Congos - Heart of the Congos Velvet Underground & Nico - VU&N Marvin Gaye - What's Going On The Triffids - Born Sandy Devotional Dusty Springfield - Dusty In Memphis Kraftwerk - Die Mensch-Maschine Jo...
by ekewebb
Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:23 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Feel So Sad / I Want You - Fright 053
Replies: 7
Views: 1786

Starfish wrote:Have you noticed, if you roll your mouse over the :oops: smiley, it spells embarrassed incorrectly?
How embarrassing...
by ekewebb
Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:06 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: One Spz song.....
Replies: 50
Views: 9414

The instrumental version of Spread Your Wings.
by ekewebb
Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:32 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: The Staple Singers ~ Come Up In Glory
Replies: 25
Views: 4138

On Tuesday October 3rd Martin Freeman (off of the Office) starts a new series called "The Great Unknown" on BBC Radio 2 featuring artists he considers overlooked and underrated. The Staple Singers are the subject of the first episode but "he concentrates on their years on the Stax lab...
by ekewebb
Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:49 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: The Smiths
Replies: 74
Views: 13539

will this do? wrote:I bet it's a spambot, here to post links to lesbian milfs 'doing it'. eeew.
If they're doing it on a boat with that stallion in a clown suit I'm up for it.
by ekewebb
Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:54 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Blue Sunshine Minds
Replies: 8
Views: 1696

On an Aussie note i just bought the remastered Triffids Born Sandy Devotional CD. I never remember it being this good. 20 years later it still sounds fantastic! Great album - I love the extra tracks (although they're a bit of a mixed bag) and the packaging is exemplary. Looking forward to the forth...
by ekewebb
Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:06 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: The Necks
Replies: 3
Views: 796

I love the Necks. I won't try and explain them myself as the original recommendation that got me interested was so perfect... they're usually described as improvised, instrumental jazz and I suppose they are but you've never heard music like this before. Best savoured live they play truly improvised...
by ekewebb
Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:18 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: ebay
Replies: 5
Views: 1264

Oh it looks so nice in that frame though, doesn't it?

:roll:
by ekewebb
Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:49 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: recomendation for all you hip hop heads
Replies: 8
Views: 1875

Thanks for the link duppy. Absolutely shocking record even allowing for the Sly & Robbie steal. I thought his Swing album was the pits but he's managed to top that this time.

Mind you, I can't wait to hear his cover of We're The Pet Shop Boys.
by ekewebb
Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:37 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: PMs (attn: eke)
Replies: 1
Views: 665

I got your message (three times) so it looks like the error message is the error! I didn't get an error when I pm-ed you if that's any help...
by ekewebb
Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:09 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: ENGLAND
Replies: 21
Views: 4005

Starfish wrote:panic on the streets of Worchester.
:lol:



Referring very obliquely back to another thread; "Panic on the streets of Hamstall Ridware" would have made a great lyric.
by ekewebb
Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:50 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Editors
Replies: 31
Views: 5641

It's available to download from HMV Digital as a single track for 89p.
by ekewebb
Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:04 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: MOTORHEAD
Replies: 13
Views: 2387

runcible wrote:the original 'Motorhead' by Hawkwind..... Oh - get the Dave Brock vocal version rather than Lemmy's as it's far superior.
I fancied myself a bit of a Hawkwind fan around their "classic" period and I don't recall this version. Where's it from?
by ekewebb
Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:21 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Comps Tracklistings - Don't Read If You Don't Want To Know
Replies: 36
Views: 11158

Good plan. I've been waiting for the opportunity to explain some of my choices - basically I like pop music which could account for a lot, I suppose. 1. Gassenhauer – Gunild Keetman - Nice bit of glockenspiel from the Badlands soundtrack 2. Self-Portrait in Three Colors - Charles Mingus - Apologie...
by ekewebb
Wed May 31, 2006 11:03 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Just a tad overpriced me thinks!
Replies: 8
Views: 1784

Only the completely insane Image
by ekewebb
Fri May 26, 2006 9:29 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Do you think I got a bargain?
Replies: 28
Views: 4862

and Spacemen 3....
by ekewebb
Thu May 25, 2006 8:29 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Comps
Replies: 290
Views: 51194

purespace wrote:ekewebb's cd had arrived as well as the Complete Blind Willie Johnson 2 cd set ordered a few weeks back. I opted to listen to eke's cd first
Hey, I would have gone for the Blind Willie Johnson myself :D
by ekewebb
Thu May 25, 2006 9:08 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: BOB DYLAN'S XM RADIO SHOW - Dreams, Schemes and Themes
Replies: 85
Views: 18561

The two I've managed to download are absolutely brilliant. Thank you so much for posting those links duppy. For someone who's never been particularly into Dylan I'm currently in the strange position of reading Chronicles on the train, watching the second part of No Direction Home in the evenings and...
by ekewebb
Thu May 25, 2006 9:03 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Comps
Replies: 290
Views: 51194

rameses wrote:That first track is fab.
Thanks. A great piece of music that I first heard in a fantastic film - Badlands - many years ago and never forgot.
by ekewebb
Thu May 25, 2006 9:00 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Comps
Replies: 290
Views: 51194

Whose is the unmarked, unaddressed one I got yesterday?

I've listened to Greeny's as well now. Always nice to hear a bit of Godspeed! and Cassetteboy but the rest was all new to me. Great stuff, especially the bits I would never have heard otherwise.
by ekewebb
Wed May 24, 2006 9:44 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Comps
Replies: 290
Views: 51194

I got three discs in the post yesterday and I plumped for purespace's one to listen to first. It's a nice mellow groove so far - I'm really liking what must be Low on track 6 at the moment. I've only got their Christmas album and it's reminded me that I really must buy some more of their stuff...
by ekewebb
Tue May 23, 2006 2:31 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Big Brother
Replies: 17
Views: 3592

I filled in half an hour between Have I Got News For You and Green Wing with a bit of BB last Friday.

NEVER AGAIN!!! :x
by ekewebb
Tue May 23, 2006 12:07 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: ***THE*** Beach Boys Thread!!!
Replies: 60
Views: 11271

Would you say the beach boys lps after pet sounds were patchy? Well yes, but so were the albums prior to Summer Days. They were cranking them out so fast in the early days. Then after Pet Sounds they took their time but had mostly lost Brian. I saw Smile! in Oxford and would have thought it was her...
by ekewebb
Mon May 22, 2006 8:29 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Comps
Replies: 290
Views: 51194

It consists mostly of U2 rarities... Hey - mine too! No sorry, I meant Mine isn't a 'best of' type thing, or even a 'choice cuts from favourites'; it was decided the evening of the thread, a sort of snapshot of the moment. A few things I'm grooving to now, and other random bits culled from the cds ...
by ekewebb
Sun May 21, 2006 10:21 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Comps
Replies: 290
Views: 51194

I'm mailing out eight tomorrow and the rest are ready to go. I feel the need to apologise for a few of my choices already but I'll just explain track 16 as it's the one that, as simonkeeping asked for, is "that 1 tune you always pull out when you got mates round and it floors them. be interesti...
by ekewebb
Fri May 19, 2006 1:23 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: BOB DYLAN'S XM RADIO SHOW - Dreams, Schemes and Themes
Replies: 85
Views: 18561

Funnily enough I can't get rapidshare to work in IE since I got a router. If anyone's got any ideas about why that might be I'd be grateful for any tips.
by ekewebb
Thu May 18, 2006 11:35 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Comps
Replies: 290
Views: 51194

simonkeeping wrote:Whats the final list then?
Can I nominate you to decide as it was your idea to start with? Not meaning to be cheeky :?

Anyway, mine's on 17 or 18 tracks. Final tweaking to be done tonight.
by ekewebb
Thu May 18, 2006 8:35 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: The Goth 'problem'.
Replies: 7
Views: 1593

That is just fucking brilliant! I'm forwarding it to all my friends right now.
by ekewebb
Wed May 17, 2006 8:20 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: The Goth 'problem'.
Replies: 7
Views: 1593

Are we talking these Goths or these?
by ekewebb
Wed May 17, 2006 8:15 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: I need advice..
Replies: 8
Views: 1644

I gotz a audi tt an its blingin' man.
by ekewebb
Tue May 16, 2006 3:08 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Comps
Replies: 290
Views: 51194

I'm in if you don't mind - being a relatively low poster here. Although be warned that I find it hard to distinguish between stuff that I really like a lot right now and stuff that's actually any good in the long term.
by ekewebb
Tue May 16, 2006 10:04 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Alright then...
Replies: 11
Views: 2663

[quote="Hamstall]Thanks for the reference Eke..... Even with the 'twee Lemon Jelly' comparison! ;)[/quote]

S'OK mate. Sorry about the uncalled-for use of words like "twee" and "rip-off" - obviously in a harsh mood that day :wink:
by ekewebb
Sun May 14, 2006 9:29 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Smiles Flexi in the Pharmacy
Replies: 20
Views: 4323

Is that why Smiles isn't on Complete Works then? Silly me, no live versions on Complete Works.... Is this version of Smiles not the same as that on the Complete Works then, the one from the Medication Promo? Its not the one from the Friendly Fire CD is it? It is the same as the one on Volume #6 tho...
by ekewebb
Fri May 12, 2006 10:41 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Editors
Replies: 31
Views: 5641

I'm just hoping that the download sites will have the remix as a single track download.
by ekewebb
Thu May 11, 2006 3:52 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: My CD collection is so indie
Replies: 32
Views: 6657

Here we go....
by ekewebb
Thu May 11, 2006 1:17 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: My CD collection is so indie
Replies: 32
Views: 6657

All fairly safe choices here. If you're the adventurous type then these might be wrong but you don't make it sound as if you are. Charlie Mingus' "Mingus Ah Um" and Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" spring to mind for jazz. Public Enemy's "Yo! Bum Rush The Show" for a bit of ...
by ekewebb
Tue May 02, 2006 8:36 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Smiles Flexi in the Pharmacy
Replies: 20
Views: 4323

Is that why Smiles isn't on Complete Works then?
by ekewebb
Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:07 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Pink Floyd is unlistenable. Led Zeppelin is crap, mostly.
Replies: 51
Views: 10683

"Cheap Trick Live At The Budokan"


AAAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!


*runs screaming for the hills*
by ekewebb
Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:35 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Cheapster CD Single
Replies: 3
Views: 1622

You wally! :lol:
by ekewebb
Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:18 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Pink Floyd is unlistenable. Led Zeppelin is crap, mostly.
Replies: 51
Views: 10683

I think saying the double neck guitar is a gimmick is a bit misleading. As will said, Jimmy used it on-stage in songs where he wanted to switch from a twelve string to a six string quicker than he could have done by changing guitars. To do this is a much more honest way of achieving a desired effect...