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by spzretent
Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:57 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: New Steve Mason track, LP, UK Tour
Replies: 19
Views: 4840

Re: New Steve Mason track, LP, UK Tour

Me too. I love to positive vibes oozing out of this record.
Fits in perfectly with his amazing catalog.
Roll on Leeds & Manchester. Flights booked, tix bought.
by spzretent
Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:47 am
Forum: Spacemen3
Topic: 1991 Recurring Demos
Replies: 0
Views: 287

1991 Recurring Demos

No idea where these came from but they are a godsend.
by spzretent
Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:09 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Rose City Band New Album - Garden Party
Replies: 8
Views: 433

Re: Rose City Band New Album - Garden Party

I'll second the Jeffrey Silverstein recommendation.
My pick for a song. Gorgeous.
by spzretent
Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:31 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: What gigs have you just been to?
Replies: 1254
Views: 277509

Re: What gigs have you just been to?

Congrats Kevin.
What a lovely place to get married and what a band to entertain the guests.
Sounds perfect.
by spzretent
Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:23 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Tom Verlaine RIP
Replies: 12
Views: 526

Re: Tom Verlaine RIP

This indeed is a gut punch. Always been a big fan of Television and Tom Verlaine's solo stuff. Saw him solo 3 or 4 times and finally saw Television in 2019 here in Detroit. Tom Verlaine brought something new to the table regarding rock guitar. His Television guitar solos are sublime. I will leave a ...
by spzretent
Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:44 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: RIP David Crosby
Replies: 6
Views: 333

Re: RIP David Crosby

aadamm wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:21 am [youtube]NxyOhFBoxSY[/youtube]

I have not yet figured out how to paste in a youtube link but dammit I'm going to keep trying.

I give up, man. I am defeated
Insert the entire copied link.
Just to make sure click preview below to make sure said link is included.
by spzretent
Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:14 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Michigan Space Rock 2 LP Comp on Third Man
Replies: 12
Views: 2715

Re: Michigan Space Rock 2 LP Comp on Third Man

Over the weekend I found this clip on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40sLd1r-VKM I had never seen it, It made me take out Southeast Of Saturn Vol.1 and play it and really listen to it closely. There was so much hype around here when it was released a few years ago that even I was interview...
by spzretent
Wed Jan 04, 2023 2:34 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: 2022 Albums
Replies: 25
Views: 1988

Re: 2022 Albums

Top 10 Albums Of 2022 1. Michael Head & The Red Elastic band- Dear Scott 2. The Three Three Fives- Kind Of Surreal 3. House Of Love- State Of Grace 4. Spiritualized- Everything Was Beautiful 5. Black Sand- Above The Clouds 6. Free Slope- Blissful Repetitions 7. Rancho Relaxo- Spirit Of Ecstasy 8...
by spzretent
Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:04 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: R.I.P. Pele
Replies: 2
Views: 478

R.I.P. Pele

What a player and ambassador for football worldwide.
Not likely to see anyone like him ever again.
I realize I am dating myself but I saw him play at the end of his career in 1976.
Pontiac Stadium Sept. 6, 1976 vs Dallas Tornado.
A sad day for football fans all over the world today.
by spzretent
Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:07 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Rancho Relaxo
Replies: 2
Views: 293

Rancho Relaxo

A friend of mine turned me on to this Norwegian neo psych band. Lovely stuff. And then there is this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De6TD43PzA0 More than an homage to Shine A Light but really enjoyable none the less. I figure some here may want to investigate further. For fans for the "S...
by spzretent
Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:17 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: What gigs have you just been to?
Replies: 1254
Views: 277509

Re: What gigs have you just been to?

House Of Love- Magic Bag Ferndale Michigan 10-22-2022 Disclaimer: I am a HUGE House Of Love fan. I flew over to see a show in Leeds on the 2018 tour. That show remains one of the all time great set lists I have ever seen played live. House Of Love is now Guy Chadwick and three new members including ...
by spzretent
Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:22 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Richard Formby Spectrum Soul Kiss Demos UK 7"
Replies: 6
Views: 647

Re: Richard Formby Spectrum Soul Kiss Demos UK 7"

They seem more organic in a demo sort of way.
They have sold out in UK and I am the only one in the US who has them hence the post.
Given ridiculous shipping overseas this helps.
by spzretent
Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:17 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: What Are You Listening To Now?
Replies: 5768
Views: 783282

Re: What Are You Listening To Now?

It may have taken me 10 years to get around to this but I cannot stop playing:
Slipstream- Stereo Brain Mono Heart.
Everything a Spacemen/Spiritualized/Spectrum fan would want in an album.
by spzretent
Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:04 am
Forum: Gigs
Topic: NYC/Beacon show canceled
Replies: 11
Views: 1368

Re: NYC/Beacon show canceled

Well I guess things are worse than originally thought.
Sorry for any confusion.
by spzretent
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:00 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Band member unwell/Cancellation of Philly show
Replies: 23
Views: 3038

Re: Band member unwell/Cancellation of Philly show

From Spiritualized's management: "Yes, all ok. A little exhaustion. We’re just working it all out now. Please reassure everyone that there’s nothing to worry about". Enjoy the Beacon Steve. It's great venue. Much bigger than St Andrews :wink: Sorry for the duplicate response(also in Gigs s...
by spzretent
Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:49 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Philly Show Cancelled
Replies: 10
Views: 1147

Re: Philly Show Cancelled

From Spiritualized's management: "Yes, all ok. A little exhaustion. We’re just working it all out now. Please reassure everyone that there’s nothing to worry about". All I can say is the crowd in Detroit was fantastic. No one left. Only show I have been to so I can't speak of the others. T...
by spzretent
Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:51 am
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Danforth Music Hall Toronto 9-18-2022
Replies: 1
Views: 360

Danforth Music Hall Toronto 9-18-2022

by spzretent
Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:33 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Detroit 9/16/2022
Replies: 13
Views: 1264

Re: Detroit 9/16/2022

Likewise.
I am certain that it being at St. Andrews Hall helped a lot.
Best venue in Detroit. Best sound as well.
It was great to see you John.
by spzretent
Sat Sep 17, 2022 3:56 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Detroit 9/16/2022
Replies: 13
Views: 1264

Re: Detroit 9/16/2022

Now that's what I am talking about. A full on garage rock noise fest! It took half of Hey Jane for the sound guy to get it right and from then on it was blast off. Highlights: Let It Bleed, The "A" Song and So Long You Pretty Thing. It really says something that She Kissed Me into Shine A ...
by spzretent
Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:10 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Detroit 9/16/2022
Replies: 13
Views: 1264

Re: Detroit 9/16/2022

Earlier?
by spzretent
Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:29 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Detroit 9/16/2022
Replies: 13
Views: 1264

Re: Detroit 9/16/2022

Jacoby's
jacobysbar.com
624 Brush St, Detroit, MI 48226
Around the corner from St Andrews.
7pm-ish?
by spzretent
Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:29 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Detroit 9/16/2022
Replies: 13
Views: 1264

Re: Detroit 9/16/2022

Perhaps a pre gig meet up?
by spzretent
Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:12 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: House Of Love
Replies: 23
Views: 3420

Re: House Of Love

No one really knows as it is Guy Chadwick and three new members. The single they released sounds very promising. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR3LWj76PpQ The more time marches on the more I appreciate The House Of Love. Of all the bands of that era I play them the most except Spacemen 3/Spiritual...
by spzretent
Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:15 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Fantasy Premier League Fuzzhead's Spacemen 2022-23
Replies: 6
Views: 657

Re: Fantasy Premier League Fuzzhead's Spacemen 2022-23

Fantastic! This may be the biggest season yet team-wise.
by spzretent
Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:26 am
Forum: Other
Topic: Fantasy Premier League Fuzzhead's Spacemen 2022-23
Replies: 6
Views: 657

Re: Fantasy Premier League Fuzzhead's Spacemen 2022-23

Bump.
Starts Friday.
by spzretent
Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:42 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Fantasy Premier League Fuzzhead's Spacemen 2022-23
Replies: 6
Views: 657

Fantasy Premier League Fuzzhead's Spacemen 2022-23

https://fantasy.premierleague.com/
Fantasy Premier League
Fuzzhead's Spacemen league invite.
Code to join league: 6jsv2e
Play starts early this year. August 5.
by spzretent
Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:29 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: What Are You Listening To Now?
Replies: 5768
Views: 783282

Re: What Are You Listening To Now?

Been on a massive Verve binge. Delving way into those deluxe CD box sets for ASIH & ANS. Magnificent is a word that springs to mind. And a smile. Also in heavy rotation here: Rolling Stones- Live at El Mocambo Chris Bell- I Am The Cosmos Michael Head & Red Elastic Band- Dear Scott Spirituali...
by spzretent
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:09 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: What gigs have you just been to?
Replies: 1254
Views: 277509

Re: What gigs have you just been to?

Michael Head & The Red Elastic Band was my first post covid show and what a pleasure it was to finally see him/them especially at the Brudenell in Leeds which is also my favorite venue in the world. The crowd was super respectful too which was nice to see. No talking during songs and limited mob...
by spzretent
Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:56 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Three Three Fives- Kind Of Surreal
Replies: 3
Views: 604

Re: Three Three Fives- Kind Of Surreal

I have 15 or so copies left unclaimed for those in the US. Save big time on overseas s&h.
They should arrive early next week.
Also 5 copies of the new/sold out Free/Slope- Blissful Repetitions LP.
https://dockellisrecords.bigcartel.com/
by spzretent
Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:22 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Last five albums/lp's you bought?
Replies: 2585
Views: 524186

Re: Last five albums/lp's you bought?

Just got back from the UK and made these purchases. Michael Head & The Red Elastic Band - Dear Scott LP Kelley Stoltz - The Stylist LP Dinked edition Both from Piccadilly Records Crosby Stills & Nash - Debut LP original UK Atlantic red/plum label James Taylor - Mud Slide Slim original UK LP ...
by spzretent
Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:09 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Hopewell- Anthema gospel mix
Replies: 4
Views: 490

Re: Hopewell- Anthema gospel mix

It is on a 12" single.
I bought mine off Discogs.
by spzretent
Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:39 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Hopewell- Anthema gospel mix
Replies: 4
Views: 490

Hopewell- Anthema gospel mix


Thought some of you may enjoy this version of this superb Hopewell track.
by spzretent
Mon May 09, 2022 8:10 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Glasgow® May 05 2022
Replies: 24
Views: 2786

Re: Glasgow® May 05 2022

The differing opinions on the Dublin gig vs the Manchester gig the very next night are like night and day.
All the posts on the Spacemen 3 FB page are glowing for Manchester.
I wonder how much the venues and sound system play into this?
by spzretent
Fri May 06, 2022 3:20 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: New Kikagaku Moyo LP
Replies: 3
Views: 442

New Kikagaku Moyo LP

New Kikagaku Moyo- Kumoyo Island Lp up for pre orders.
Streaming all over the place.
It is pretty amazing.
YT link:
by spzretent
Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:55 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: A couple of questions about recent live stuff
Replies: 14
Views: 1454

Re: A couple of questions about recent live stuff

He had two sets of back up singers one on each coast. That was a few years ago.
Not sure now.
by spzretent
Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:59 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: "Everything was beautiful" - New Spiritualized® Album 2022
Replies: 515
Views: 62734

Re: "Everything was beautiful" - New Spiritualized® Album 2022

I am now on my third listen of my deluxe vinyl box set and I must say I am very pleased with it. My pressing is superb. The box showed up with four sharp corners and the artwork is outstanding.
Nice job all around.
by spzretent
Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:06 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Interview with Mads Bjerke (Spiritualized engineer)
Replies: 34
Views: 2220

Re: Interview with Mads Bjerke (Spiritualized engineer)

I listened to this whilst pottering with other things in the background, and it was very interesting once I got over the rather irritating interview style. Well worth persevering with if you have the time and inclination. Intriguing hint from Mads that J was pretty depressed and out of it during th...
by spzretent
Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:02 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Interview with Mads Bjerke (Spiritualized engineer)
Replies: 34
Views: 2220

Re: Interview with Mads Bjerke (Spitualized engineer)

Even if the interviewer rubs you the wrong way, I would advise persisting. Some great insight into the recording of the bands albums. Just have it on in the background and treat it like a podcast- then you don't have to see his shirtless torso if you don't want to! I am not wired that way. To start...
by spzretent
Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:39 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Interview with Mads Bjerke (Spiritualized engineer)
Replies: 34
Views: 2220

Re: Interview with Mads Bjerke (Spitualized engineer)

You got way further than I did. After the Forum dig plus the shirtless guy I just turned it off.
by spzretent
Fri Apr 01, 2022 4:41 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Dallas Granada Theater 3.31.2022
Replies: 36
Views: 2794

Re: Dallas Granada Theater 3.31.2022

I hope they never delete Shine A Light from the live set.
by spzretent
Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:33 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: J's Five Favo(u)rite Albums
Replies: 3
Views: 692

Re: J's Five Favo(u)rite Albums

Always nice to see that Link Wray record.
Thanks to Jason, then BzaInSpace, it has become one of my favorite records ever.
by spzretent
Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:04 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: 2022 Albums
Replies: 25
Views: 1988

Re: 2022 Albums

Looking forward to in 2022 so far:

Spiritualized- Everything Was Beautiful.
Pictish Trail- Island Family.
Psychic Ills- A Song For Tres. Tres Warren tribute.
Free / Slope- Blissful Repetitions.
Rolling Stones- Live At El Mocambo 1977 4 Lp.
Simple Minds 5 x 5 tour 3 LP RSD 2022.
by spzretent
Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:25 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Gothenberg 1993
Replies: 21
Views: 2315

Re: Gothenberg 1993

Thank you.
Posts like these prompt me to go back and listen to some old live shows.
Listening to St Andrews Hall Detroit 1997 right now. A board tape. Fantastic!
As is the Gothenburg 1993.
by spzretent
Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:22 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Mark Lanegan - dead at age 57
Replies: 33
Views: 9127

Re: Mark Lanegan - dead at age 57

Been listening to a lot of Mark Lanegan these past few days.
My go to Lanegan record has always been Whiskey For The Holy Ghost.
It still is.
That voice.....
by spzretent
Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:21 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Fail we may...
Replies: 5
Views: 901

Re: Fail we may...

Thanks for that.
Great story.
by spzretent
Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:27 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: "Everything was beautiful" - New Spiritualized® Album 2022
Replies: 515
Views: 62734

Re: "Everything was beautiful" - New Spiritualized® Album 2022

If I'm reading spzretent's post correctly, they aren't trying to stop people discussing the album. They are just saying that they won't tollerate people asking about or posting information about how to get hold of it. This seems more than fair to me, I can't see how a forum linked from the official...
by spzretent
Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:56 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: "Everything was beautiful" - New Spiritualized® Album 2022
Replies: 515
Views: 62734

Re: "Everything was beautiful" - New Spiritualized® Album 2022

Spiritualized's management have contacted us moderators and are concerned about the leak of the new album. What people here do privately we obviously have no control over. If a link is posted in this thread it will be deleted as soon as we see it. Sorry if this is a bit heavy handed but we appreciat...
by spzretent
Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:38 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: New turntable and record collecting in general
Replies: 234
Views: 112176

Re: New turntable and record collecting in general

Surely you can do both. I have always taken care of my vinyl & CDs. It amazes me sometimes. For instance I bought a Japanese copy of the Stones- Exile On Main St LP in in the late 70's or early 80's. I would hazard a guess that this copy has been played a couple of hundred times and it is still ...
by spzretent
Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:05 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Dead Skeletons- Dead Magick LP
Replies: 39
Views: 5274

Re: Dead Skeletons- Dead Magick LP

I sell loads of records online. All go out the same way. Cardboard mailer, 2 12 x 12 cardboard inserts, record separated and taken out of sleeve and put inside a pvc outer sleeve. Unless sealed. Never have any problems. What is that squiggly carved up paper European labels sometimes used like Fuzz C...
by spzretent
Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:52 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Dead Skeletons- Dead Magick LP
Replies: 39
Views: 5274

Re: Dead Skeletons- Dead Magick LP

My LP showed up today in a snow storm.
4 sharp corners.
A miracle.
by spzretent
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:03 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: New turntable and record collecting in general
Replies: 234
Views: 112176

Re: New turntable and record collecting in general

Less of a turntable or record collecting story but more of an equipment revelation. In 2002 when ABCKO reissued all the Stones CD as hybrid CD/SACD's I bought an SACD player just for them. Eventually my SACD player died and I just replaced with a regular CD player which i have been using for the pas...
by spzretent
Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:26 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Primal Scream : The Original Memphis Recordings
Replies: 59
Views: 14358

Re: Primal Scream : The Original Memphis Recordings

So there's a Sony version and a Run Out Groove version of this - is there any significant difference? Which one should I buy and why? Definitely The Run Out Groove version. It is 3 LP's mastered at 33 rpm and the quality of the pressing is fantastic. There are also bonus tracks. I never owned the S...
by spzretent
Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:34 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman
Replies: 12
Views: 1581

Re: Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman

Very happy to spread the word.
by spzretent
Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:17 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman
Replies: 12
Views: 1581

Re: Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman

Finally got my CD today.
So much better to hear it out of a proper stereo system than in the car.
Nice way to start the day.
by spzretent
Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:04 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Sigur Ros Agaetis Byrjun Vinyl Me Please January 2x LP
Replies: 2
Views: 509

Re: Sigur Ros Agaetis Byrjun Vinyl Me Please January 2x LP

I had tickets to see them in Detroit a few days after 9-11. Almost every band cancelled their tours over here. I didn't even think about that show until someone asked me what I thought of it. I had no idea they were playing. I have only ever seen Jonsi solo. This record though. It is spectacular. I ...
by spzretent
Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:40 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Sigur Ros Agaetis Byrjun Vinyl Me Please January 2x LP
Replies: 2
Views: 509

Sigur Ros Agaetis Byrjun Vinyl Me Please January 2x LP

Got this email today.
https://www.vinylmeplease.com/products/ ... tis-byrjun
I re-joined for 1 month(now an option) just to get this LP.
Looks like another tasty VMP release.
by spzretent
Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:29 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Three Three Fives- Kind Of Surreal
Replies: 3
Views: 604

Three Three Fives- Kind Of Surreal

Another bandcamp find from Sheffield with a name your price d/l.
Another Spacemen 3/Mazzy Star hybrid done extremely well.
by spzretent
Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:40 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Fav Albums and Stuff: 2021
Replies: 16
Views: 1746

Re: Fav Albums and Stuff: 2021

Top 10 of 2021 list. 1. Morningface- Outta Space CD 2. Three Three Fives- Kind Of Surreal 3. Cheval Sombre- Time Waits For No One 4. Cheval Sombre- Days Go By 5. Rose City Band- Earth Trip 6. Dean Wareham- I Have Nothing To Say To The Mayor Of LA 7. Dean & Britta- Quarantine Tapes 8. Low- Hey W...
by spzretent
Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:15 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman
Replies: 12
Views: 1581

Re: Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman

I have been corresponding with Kate. She really appreciates spreading the word.
This seems to be a record many here would be really into.
Kind of like a combo of Hope Sandoval and side 2 of Recurring plus Sonic/Spectrum first three records.
It IS that good.
by spzretent
Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:23 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman
Replies: 12
Views: 1581

Re: Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman

Whole record is great.
by spzretent
Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:18 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman
Replies: 12
Views: 1581

Morningface- The Ballad Of Jason Spaceman

Great song.
Limited CD's available in both UK & US on Bandcamp.
Mark Refoy all over this too.