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I was foggily familiar with the Leckie-Ashcroft solo sessions but I have not heard them. The reason for my asking questions is that "Monte Carlo" credits McCabe. That means one of two things: 1. It's a leftover from ANS. But if so, why/how was it produced by Leckie and not Morris? Even the...

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If "Monte Carlo" was a leftover from A Northern Soul, why is the version we have produced by John Leckie? This, by the way, doesn't mean they didn't attempt a version of "Monte Carlo" during the ANS sessions. It just means that the version we have isn't that attempt, if there was...

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My hypothesis for this collection was always that the label thought they could squeeze a bit more money out of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" by releasing this disc at a slightly lower price point than Urban Hymns and hopefully enticing album purchases. The albums themselves are advertised on the...

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The Verve having reformed, perhaps the time has come for us to finally attempt to make sense of this odd little profit-taking stopgap. In 2004, it seemed as if anyone who might have been qualified enough to illuminate the many questions - even basic discographical ones - surrounding this release was...

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angelsighs wrote:holy shit.

Indeed.

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Well put.

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That raises a pretty interesting question. If a record is able to become so familiar that it no longer moves you, was it ever "great"? Or, perhaps more pertinently, can you really consider it a "favorite"?

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Am I right in thinking Mingus' personal favourite album was Tijuana Moods? or is that a misunderstanding? Not sure - as far as I know, Mingus hated everything, and everyone! There may very well be a source in which Mingus is quoted as such, but context and date is important. It's often said that Bl...

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Mingus-Black Saint and the Sinner Lady. I'm generally preoccupied with some of his other releases and have neglected this from time to time, but when I find it again... heaven! Yes. It pains me a little to admit as this is also the conventional wisdom, but it seems to me that Black Saint is almost ...

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Hard to say. I noticed that a while ago but I think it's almost certainly a coincidence. For one thing most of the photos in the new MM book were either previously unprinted or promo shots and as far as I know there were no photos with the original LP save the cover. The stripy knitwear is what subu...

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The song is related to the trad. hymn "Amen" as well - Otis Redding's version uses "This Little Light" as the verse and "Amen" (cf. Spacemen 3) as the chorus.

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Also, I have a lot more sympathy for someone who, after much experimentation, has concluded that he doesn't "get" jazz or soul or any other nominal genre and thus devotes his time to listening to (and seeking out) music he does like - there are only so many hours of the day, after all - th...

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"Computer" is marked by distinctly more sophisticated chordings than those found on "Hymns", greater harmonic depth, much more interesting melodic content out front. A lot of interesting content in your long, long post that I don't have time to address, but I've got to respond t...

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I don't think the comparison of OK Computer to Urban Hymns is particularly useful or interesting, except to say that one of them is a concert to the other one's light show. Not that I'm saying which is which. But I find it hard to gainsay the claim that the Verve haven't gotten the recognition they ...

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Quite the contrary - most of the Holy Ghost box set was actually previously unreleased, at least officially. So at the time it was a huge find. Mostly it collects the better bootlegs, though some of the music wasn't in circulation in any form. But its listening value is sort of limited and it's by n...

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There's also what has to be the first pic of the band together since the comeback on the official site- Nick looks exactly the same, Si looks stoned, and Pete has seemingly turned into Karl Pilkington. But it is damn good to see them all together again. Wow. That's some major-league nostalgia - the...

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That's a problem for most of his work. What's confounding about Ayler discographically is that he 1) re-recorded the same handful of themes constantly (just like Monk, I guess) and 2) assigned names to those themes quite randomly - most often calling the same theme by a half-dozen different titles, ...

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Perhaps this belongs in a separate free jazz thread, but then again perhaps it doesn't. I've been on an Albert Ayler kick since about July, when I came into possession of a cheap little box set of dubious provenance called The Complete ESP-Disk' Sessions. In fact the title's a misnomer - at least on...

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This is a stupid thread.

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What's a radiohead?

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Pity, as I was under the impression that I was floating like a feather in a beautiful world.

That is to say, what the hell am I doing here?

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And here I was thinking the song couldn't get any more fascinating.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only actual variable here is Ashcroft. The rest of the band was ship-shape and ready to go before this even happened. If Ashcroft is up to the task - lyrically, I mean, because I think he's still at a high enough level vocally - we'll easily have a tour...

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So the demo is in fact the same take as the single, then. I've always been curious about that but not curious enough to actually ask, since they're so similar I thought I'd come off obtuse if I missed something so obvious. Were any other of the Northampton demos officially released prior to the Fath...

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Mostly that's right on some level, at least - except that the very same formal qualities that make a given genre sound 'all the same' are also the qualities (or features, or conventions) that define it as a genre...and really, since most Western music uses the same handful of scales it might be said...

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runcible wrote: But then chuck in 90% of lullaby tracks - they also have the same structure. Shine A Light isn't that different.

Actually, "Shine a Light" is quite different - for one thing it has an ambiguous key center.

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A mutual friend of mine and my wife's was over for dinner the other night and one of the records that got played was Playing With Fire . As I've noted above, PWF is currently my favorite Sp3 record - I've been on a PWF kick for about a year - and "Lord Can You Hear Me" is almost certainly ...

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$26 - I find your revaluation of this stuff very interesting I must say. It's something I've noticed you constantly do which means you're listening to the albums regularly and noticing how they sound over the years. Not too long ago you said you couldn't work out PWF anymore, so you've obviously gi...

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Now I never said I was sure (about Amen/Hey Man being re-recorded). But it seems like an unlikely choice for a live revival (unlike TMTTOS, which was a single, and Things'll, which could have been) unless Jason's planning on using it, at least as a b-side, more likely as an album track - which is so...

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By the way, if we're revisiting the rank-the-Spacemen-3 album debate, the answer is number 1 is Playing With Fire and number 2 is Performance and number 3 is Perfect Prescription and number 4 is Sound of Confusion and they're all indispensible four-star records but that's my order of preference. I d...

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A quick note as I've got a spare half-hour! As with Amazing Grace (and Let It Come Down, for that matter) I'm scrupulously avoiding commenting or even speculating on any of the music until I've had a chance to digest it in some legitimate form - usually it takes me 2-5 full listens, about a week. So...

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Just a quick note so that I can add my voice:

Runcible really deserves our thanks for the incredible and disproportionate amount of effort he's put into housekeeping here. He absolutely took the initiative and is doing virtually all the work.

So let me be the first to say, thanks, Runcible.

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Uh, actually, "Money To Burn" is one of the few songs on that LP that I really like. I think it's an excellent pastiche of "Good Times" (the Spiritualized tune) and just about the only thing on that album that is actually recognizable as rock and roll. "Crazy World" is ...

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Modlab: I think you can safely assume that I agree with Runcible on all board matters.

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That's one- two- (count 'em) three active Noel Gallagher threads on a Spiritualized messageboard. No wonder he's gettin' knighted!

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Well it's not like I do anything important with it...

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As indicated in another post, I was able to save a copy of the Noel Gallagher thread after it went missing. All I had to do was click File -> Work Offline in Internet Explorer and then click through my history until I found it. As far as I know the copy I've saved is complete (though the pictures di...

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No one is being censored. The board is malfunctioning. I managed to save a copy of the Noel Gallagher thread on my hard disk just after it went missing (I clicked File -> Work Offline, and then went through my history), but my technical acumen is limited and it may take me a while to post its conten...

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The board's gone apeshit. I have no idea what happened to the Noel Gallagher thread. Pity as there was some choice prose there. First it was everywhere (twice in the music section), now it's nowhere...

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I think there was debate here a while ago in which it was conclusively decided that idiotic anti-kate discussion was pretty over. There is no way such attention would be paid to a male band member. That a musician - a fucking organ player - doesn't go crazy displaying their musical prowess is to be...

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Here it is! To add a poll, just click "edit" in the top-right corner of your post, and scroll down to where it says "add poll question". Enter the question and enter a first option. Click "add option" and then add subsequent options, taking care to click "add optio...

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We don't get much spam anymore, as Runcible pointed out. The problem is that we get very few new members; I find the whole vetting-each-application thing overwhelming and so the only ones I approve generally are the ones who write me personally asking to be approved. It would pain me if we lost this...

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He was a really sharp dresser - check out the collared shirt he's wearing on the cover of (Ellington's) Money Jungle.

Funny thing - I maintain that Max Roach is the only drummer in history that I've never confused with anyone else. (And that's saying something.)

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Nobody knows the band Grand Funk?

The wild, shirtless lyrics of Mark Farner?

The bong-rattling bass of Mel Schacher?

The competent drum work of Don Brewer?

Oh man!...

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There must be someone out there who's favourite Spzd track is Electric Phase Well I don't know about 'favorite', but I'm fond of it. If anything I wish it were a touch longer! Give me some caterwauling noise with a bit of forward momentum on the rhythm and I'm happy. "Electric Phase" is o...

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Only 10 minutes? Easy! (Numbers in brackets are minutes trimmed per edit.) LGM Much of the midsection of "If I Were With Her Now" (1). Part or all of "Symphony Space" (4). Everything before the instrumental break of "Take Your Time" (2.5). The first minute of "Sway...

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Wait a minute - there's a war on?

That Brown is a genius, I tells ya, jee-nee-us.

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That's a french horn, not a fluegelhorn. A fluegelhorn is what Chuck Mangione plays. (& others, I know, I know...)

About all I can say to the rest of your post is that is that I guess I'm older than you, and thus have a slimmer tolerance for bullshit!

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So where does that leave the 1st 2 Spacemen 3 EPs, both of which are the length of an album? I remember at the time people believing they were actually albums! The fact that Transparent Radiation contains alternate versions/extended mixes muddies the waters a bit, but basically, yes, WWJ & TR a...

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fair point but what label would let you release a 3 track album? Thats an EP surely? And he'd be strung up by the press! The 90s gave us a really skewed impression of what an EP actually entails. It sort of makes sense - album lengths were inflating to the point of ridiculousness at the same time. ...

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It's a really wonderful movie - Warren Oates in particular is amazing. The weak link, I think, is James Taylor, whose performance is a bit self-conscious. But both Dennis and Laurie Bird (?) are natural beyond belief. I do admit that I (like MUFCSPACEMAN, I suspect) only sought this out because I wa...

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Dammit, can't speak for Cohaul, and it's not a suggestion, but - in the interest of restoring harmony, I wouldn't kick up a fuss if you pared the thread back to before I replied it (excepting unrelated msgs from Jig, Zenchan, Retent etc). I knew it was a bad idea to post..but hey, I've shown abilit...

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I plan ahead! - and try to limit myself to no more than seventy or eighty CDs a year.

Sharing a home with someone with not-dissimilar taste helps.

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(waves white flag, throws it down to mop up pissing contest)

We're not even talking about music anymore.

And the only Stones song I'm convinced Gram Parsons made substantial contributions to is "Dead Flowers".

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OK, MUFCSPACEMAN, you like The Who. Point made. And you don't like the Stones. Point double-made. But your primary basis for tarring the Stones is subjective (i.e., the "experience" of their music is lesser or "superficial"). Surely you realize that and realize that's not a legit...

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Personally I think The Who are possibly the most over rated 'great' band I can think of. (awaits $26 trying to trump me with The Doors) Well at least both the Who and the Stones have some merit - that's more than can be said for the Doors! Who v. Stones? I dunno. Much as I'd like to go along with M...

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Missed this thread.

World's greatest living drummer. Now I guess it's Roy Haynes.

RIP Max. Brown-Roach Inc. rocking heaven until the kingdom comes.

By the way, the curious re: Max Roach should start with Sonny Rollins's Saxophone Colossus (1956 - recently reissued dirt-cheap)

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Interesting. The one thing that it sounds as if we can all agree upon is that Alone With Everybody (and Ashcroft's solo albums generally) are brought to the point of unlistenability by overproduction. It seems to me that Ashcroft's association with Chris Potter has been very damaging to him professi...

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I understand the concept of an annual 30min album, but the idea of making them seems rather crazy to me, especially for a band like Spiritualized, where some of the songs are epic compositions lasting anywhere up to 18 mins long. To allow music like this breathe i think you have to let it naturally...

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The 'wow, a blood transfusion' Gillespie-endorsed mythology that makes everyone believe this band are in any way the 'epitome of rock' or 'a walk on the dark side' is a crock of shit. They don't rock that hard or sexily. Never did, never will. Agree so far... Here's a clue, if you are over 20 and o...

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Now that I've made an attempt to transcribe the phrase in question from "A Song for the Lovers", I discover that it's mostly in the open position - E --------------| -------------------| 1-0----- B --------------| -------------------| (3)-3--5 G --------------| ----0h2-4-2-2p0----| (2)----...

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It's almost ironic that this comes on the thread of begging for more! if you want more, why not listen to the tracks you always skip? The point is, I think everyone would agree that we would all prefer to have a 30-minute album every year rather than a 60-minute album every two years. Same amount o...

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Runcie, you're ignoring my sole criterion. Maggot Brain is universally acclaimed! And, Bza, although I was the one who brought it up, I Want You better than What's Going On ? An unfairly-maligned, smooth-flowing lite soul/disco record with three fake orgasms better than one of the Greatest and most ...

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I agree with everything you've said, radioshack, but have to make one correction: Even the intros of Space and Time and Velvet Morning always blew me away. From what I've heard, the intro of "Space and Time" at least was constructed independently by McCabe, which is why it sounds so otherw...

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Listening to Ladies & Gents or Urban Hymns is such a massive commitment. It's nice to be able to put on a pop album of reasonable length and enjoy the whole thing in one sitting without experiencing restless leg syndrome. I agree, although Urban Hymns has always been a great-outdoors type of al...

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One thing I can sincerely say for Radiohead is that they've stubbornly kept their running times under control during an era in which almost nobody else has. Despite my extreme fondness for both records, I'll admit that Urban Hymns is probably twenty minutes too long, as is Ladies and Gentlemen We Ar...

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