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by davedecay
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:44 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Loveless and Isn't Anything vinyl reissues up for preorder
Replies: 61
Views: 18902

Re: Loveless and Isn't Anything vinyl reissues up for preord

Since the original LP & CD was mastered to DAT, what does a new vinyl LP sourced from that accomplish? Perhaps a different mix specifically for vinyl? I saw two copies of Loveless at the music shop today, $3 each. I suspect they'll sound a lot like these new LPs. This is coming from a big fan of...
by davedecay
Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:55 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Loveless and Isn't Anything vinyl reissues up for preorder
Replies: 61
Views: 18902

Re: Loveless and Isn't Anything vinyl reissues up for preord

When I have ordered LPs from the UK, sometimes shipping is around 8-9 GBP.
by davedecay
Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:00 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Loveless and Isn't Anything vinyl reissues up for preorder
Replies: 61
Views: 18902

Re: Loveless and Isn't Anything vinyl reissues up for preord

I'm reading that the LP is $22 plus overseas shipping from UK to US, something like another $20+

Any better (cheaper) places to order in the USA? Wonder if Amazon UK will get it, I think we get Prime shipping for like $4.
by davedecay
Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:21 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man
Replies: 19
Views: 6789

Re: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man

So far I played side 3 & 4, mainly because the alternate takes piqued my interest. Sounds really good - I love all that noodly, spacy guitar work in We Will Fall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oWuPAeIF28 Thanks so much again! I updated the discogs entry with photos, too. https://www.discogs.c...
by davedecay
Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:10 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Last five albums/lp's you bought?
Replies: 2585
Views: 691360

Re: Last five albums/lp's you bought?

John Entwistle - Whistle Rymes Bent Fabric - The Drunken Penguin Pere Ubu - Dub Housing The Goats - Tricks Of The Shade The Stooges - The Stooges (2017 TMR 2LP) thanks @spzretent New York Dolls - Too Much Too Soon Tom Waits - Rain Dogs Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger The Impellers - Robot Legs (SO GOOD...
by davedecay
Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:04 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Acetone compilation on LITA
Replies: 58
Views: 21569

Re: Acetone compilation on LITA

Just got into this band thanks to this thread, and I'd just like to point out that a case of York Blvd LPs must have just been found or something, because there's a bunch of them for cheap on eBay. Just got my copy, and it's a nice pressing. Huge thanks for the tip. I think three of my friends purc...
by davedecay
Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:23 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man
Replies: 19
Views: 6789

Re: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man

spzretent wrote:Tax is $1.20
$35 covers everything.
For the Stooges 2x Lp.
I'll send a PM
by davedecay
Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:54 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man
Replies: 19
Views: 6789

Re: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man

What's the tax on $30 there, and should we add $4-5 for shipping?
by davedecay
Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:30 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man
Replies: 19
Views: 6789

Re: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man

I realize they are not the über-limited versions.
It's kind of you to offer this to us!
by davedecay
Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:35 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man
Replies: 19
Views: 6789

Re: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man

I'm a massive fan of the first & second Stooges albums.

If I could help you find something you need here in PA, I'd be happy. Our best local store has an amazing selection.
by davedecay
Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:25 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man
Replies: 19
Views: 6789

Re: Stooges S/T 1969 LP Third Man

I am interested, does the cover look identical to the original, color-wise?

I like the sound of the textured feel.

This may be the MC5 issue, that one sounds interesting, too.
https://www.discogs.com/MC5-Kick-Out-Th ... e/10544862
by davedecay
Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:22 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Selling Vinyl
Replies: 12
Views: 5961

Re: Selling Vinyl

I continue to collect, but I need to start purging some, too. Pulled some Iggy Pop singles last night that I don't need.


“The things you own end up owning you. It's only after you lose everything that you're free to do anything.”
-- Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club
by davedecay
Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:20 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Selling Vinyl
Replies: 12
Views: 5961

Re: Selling Vinyl

This quote came to mind regarding the acquisition of things:

"After a time, you may find, that having is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."
- Mr. Spock
by davedecay
Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:25 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Selling Vinyl
Replies: 12
Views: 5961

Re: Selling Vinyl

Strong mailers are a must for shipping, IMHO. When I buy records from UK & Europe, most often they come in flimsy cardboard mailing boxes. They offer little protection from bending or breaking. Even corners get damaged in transit. It may cost more, but get stiff cardboard shipping cartons made f...
by davedecay
Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:33 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: OK Computer - 20th Anniverary Edition w/3 unreleased tracks
Replies: 25
Views: 8978

Re: OK Computer - 20th Anniverary Edition w/3 unreleased tra

OK, I sought out the cassette rip. I read that the provided download version sounds brickwalled and bad.

If someone wants the better Nakamichi Dragon capture, let me know and I'll sort you out. :mrgreen:
by davedecay
Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:17 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: What gigs have you got coming up?
Replies: 1738
Views: 1833143

Re: What gigs have you got coming up?

Splurged on a ticket to a rare local appearance by King Crimson in November.

Might be going to see Poptone (Daniel Ash / Kevin Haskins) on August 4th.

Saturday I'm on stand-by for Primus/Clutch.
by davedecay
Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:41 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Echo & The Bunnymen
Replies: 12
Views: 4083

Re: Echo & The Bunnymen

That's so cool!
by davedecay
Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:06 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Funkadelic / Eddie Hazel
Replies: 6
Views: 2356

Re: Funkadelic / Eddie Hazel

Check out Fuzzy Haskins, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBYI9Mq1cBM

Give Up the Fuzz: A Few Words with Clarence Fuzzy Haskins
Short movie 2011
Fuzzy talks about his time with P-Funk and some

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2cDXY98Kro
by davedecay
Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:16 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Spiritualized Ladies And Gentlemen 20th Anniversary ...
Replies: 18
Views: 6637

Re: Spiritualized Ladies And Gentlemen 20th Anniversary ...

Thanks very much for the advice. I did spin my Plain reissue on the anniversary and it sounded OK.
by davedecay
Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:13 pm
Forum: Art/Design/Film/Literature
Topic: Substance : Inside New Order
Replies: 12
Views: 7051

Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Please Kill Me is a great read!
by davedecay
Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:00 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Spiritualized Ladies And Gentlemen 20th Anniversary ...
Replies: 18
Views: 6637

Re: Spiritualized Ladies And Gentlemen 20th Anniversary ...

MODLAB wrote:Dave — i've seen re-issues all over the place. I'm sure you can find one.


M
2012 re- would be fine.
https://www.discogs.com/Spiritualized-L ... se/3974041

originals are like $160+, not gonna happen.
by davedecay
Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:38 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Spiritualized Ladies And Gentlemen 20th Anniversary ...
Replies: 18
Views: 6637

Re: Spiritualized Ladies And Gentlemen 20th Anniversary ...

Happy Anniversary!

Now I've come to realize my CD was lent out and never returned... and I would love to have a UK vinyl press if anyone over there finds a reasonbly priced copy in the shops or has an extra for a fellow fan(atic).

Cheers!
by davedecay
Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:49 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: The Beatles Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 50th
Replies: 8
Views: 3106

Re: The Beatles Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 50

Even the original stereo mix from the day it was released was a half-arsed affair.
Glad this was done.
by davedecay
Tue May 23, 2017 8:33 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Mogwai : Every Country's Sun (Sept. 1)
Replies: 13
Views: 5074

Re: Mogwai : Every Country's Sun (Sept. 1)

Just ordered Kicking A Dead Pig 3x12" on green & purple, looking forward to that.

So much Mogwai to collect.
by davedecay
Tue May 23, 2017 8:29 pm
Forum: Art/Design/Film/Literature
Topic: Twin Peaks Returns
Replies: 72
Views: 45764

Re: Twin Peaks Returns

Watched 1 & 2, and I'm as confused as ever.

Sort of like watching any other Lynch movie, haha.
by davedecay
Mon May 08, 2017 2:59 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: OK Computer - 20th Anniverary Edition w/3 unreleased tracks
Replies: 25
Views: 8978

Re: OK Computer - 20th Anniverary Edition w/3 unreleased tra

^^^

WOW! Thanks so much for this link! I need to get a banging copy downloaded so I can watch and listen on the HDTV in the living room.
by davedecay
Mon May 08, 2017 2:56 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Moon Duo
Replies: 48
Views: 20239

Re: Moon Duo

Live set from NY http://www.nyctaper.com/2017/05/moon-duo-april-27-2017-rough-trade-nyc/ You wouldn’t be wrong in listening to our Moon Duo recordings and determining that Moon Duo live sounds awfully like Moon Duo’s records. Their precision is something unparalleled by mortal musicians. Sanae Yamad...
by davedecay
Wed May 03, 2017 3:27 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: OK Computer - 20th Anniverary Edition w/3 unreleased tracks
Replies: 25
Views: 8978

Re: OK Computer - 20th Anniverary Edition w/3 unreleased tra

maybe people buying that will punt their old LP copies to bums like me.
by davedecay
Tue May 02, 2017 4:52 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Last five albums/lp's you bought?
Replies: 2585
Views: 691360

Re: Last five albums/lp's you bought?

Requiem for a Dream soundtrack (Mansell/Kronos Quartet)
C.H.U.D. soundtrack
The Mothers of Invention: Mother's Day 2LP compilation
Drive Like Jehu self-titled album

upgrades to Flipper Generic, Buzzcocks Singles Going Steady, and Gang of Four Entertainment!
by davedecay
Tue May 02, 2017 4:45 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: CAN The Singles ...
Replies: 6
Views: 2681

Re: CAN The Singles ...

I counted 15 single releases on discogs up until 1980.
by davedecay
Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:50 am
Forum: Other
Topic: Last five albums/lp's you bought?
Replies: 2585
Views: 691360

Re: Last five albums/lp's you bought?

Been getting some nice stuff in person and online. Kraftwerk Ralf & Florian first US press still in the shrink Elias Hulk: Unchained Funkadelic: America Eats Its Young (original) Funkadelic: Uncle Jam Wants You (original) Jesus And Mary Chain: The Complete John Peel Sessions Fanny: Fanny Hill Ha...
by davedecay
Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:40 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: RSD 2017
Replies: 33
Views: 9792

Re: RSD 2017

I was happy to pay $26 for the Roky Erickson tribute double LP.

If I hadn't purchased Beans and Fatback for about $30 two months ago, I would have picked up the reissue.
by davedecay
Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:38 am
Forum: Spacemen3
Topic: RSD rumour...
Replies: 95
Views: 40040

Re: RSD rumour...

It really does stink all the way 'round.

Sorry for all the ill feelings.
by davedecay
Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:21 am
Forum: Spacemen3
Topic: RSD rumour...
Replies: 95
Views: 40040

Re: RSD rumour...

Maybe someone could have spread the word beyond this wee forum, somehow.

Just a thought.
by davedecay
Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:05 am
Forum: Spacemen3
Topic: RSD rumour...
Replies: 95
Views: 40040

Re: RSD rumour...

Well... Record Store Day orders can't be returned by the stores, so the Space Age Recordings guy is already getting paid; all you're doing with your note at the 11th hour is potentially fucking over the record stores that placed the orders. Where was your note a few months ago when the record stores...
by davedecay
Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:55 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: RSD 2017
Replies: 33
Views: 9792

Re: RSD 2017

burningwheel wrote:Can some kind soul in the UK pick me up Loop wolf flow 2xlp. The transparent blue into black variant that is ltd to 350 copies
Yeah, that DOES look nice!
by davedecay
Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:09 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Rolling Boxset Thread
Replies: 59
Views: 23236

Re: Rolling Boxset Thread

I was set up at a record fair on Sunday. Fortunately, I made enough to purchase this box set from another dealer. "KILLING JOKE: An Incomplete Collection" released in 1990. https://www.discogs.com/Killing-Joke-An-Incomplete-Collection/release/951929 http://imgur.com/fAk9bmC http://imgur.co...
by davedecay
Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:21 pm
Forum: Spacemen3
Topic: RSD rumour...
Replies: 95
Views: 40040

Re: RSD rumour...

SpaceLine wrote:Gerald Palmer, 2 word review

Shit Sandwich
Shark Shit.
by davedecay
Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:07 pm
Forum: Spacemen3
Topic: RSD rumour...
Replies: 95
Views: 40040

Re: RSD rumour...

Same as NER above. I have a few feelers out already.

Sucks the band doesn't get paid. If they reissue them, I'll buy ASAP.
by davedecay
Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:47 am
Forum: Spacemen3
Topic: RSD rumour...
Replies: 95
Views: 40040

Re: RSD rumour...

I'll buy the unlicensed reissues, then keep looking for originals.

[Sorry not sorry]

Fuck that Palmer guy, though.
by davedecay
Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:17 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: RSD 2017
Replies: 33
Views: 9792

Re: RSD 2017

I recently bought Beans And Fatback (Germany press) for $30 shipped, which is more than I usually pay for a single LP, but compared to how high they are at the moment... I'm happy with it. And it's one thing I don't have to worry about getting on RSD.
by davedecay
Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:35 am
Forum: Other
Topic: Last five albums/lp's you bought?
Replies: 2585
Views: 691360

Re: Last five albums/lp's you bought?

CHANGESBOWIE 2xLP on Ryko Analogue (transparent)
Melvins: Stoner Witch on TMR
Melvins: Houdini on TMR
Small Faces: Ogdens' Nut Gone Flake (1977 re-)
Laurie Anderson: Strange Angels
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds: Henry's Dream (re-)
William S. Burroughs: Let Me Hang You (red & black splatter)
by davedecay
Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:31 am
Forum: Spacemen3
Topic: Walkin' With Jesus (Rare Vinyl Question)
Replies: 14
Views: 5416

Re: Walkin' With Jesus (Rare Vinyl Question)

Some don't attach much value to autographs, especially if they can't be authenticated beyond doubt. Some even prefer their sleeves 'unmolested' as it were. Personally, I would not pay more for an autographed record. I know I'm not typical in that regard. Any autographs I have, I got on my own in per...
by davedecay
Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:55 am
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Royal Albert Hall, October 11th, 2011.
Replies: 344
Views: 163914

Re: Royal Albert Hall, October 11th, 2011.

The Kwisatz Haderach wrote:Is there anyone who has the bootleg for this show that would be kind enough to share it please?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wu5hv84b8z1p6 ... .zip?dl=0l
by davedecay
Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:21 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: London Sessions: Föllakzoid feat. J. Spaceman
Replies: 47
Views: 17763

Re: London Sessions: Föllakzoid feat. J. Spaceman

Good to know, thanks. I wasn't aware of the VAT situation with US buyers.
by davedecay
Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:14 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: London Sessions: Föllakzoid feat. J. Spaceman
Replies: 47
Views: 17763

Re: London Sessions: Föllakzoid feat. J. Spaceman

Exchange rates have definitely improved.

does Rough Trade UK remove VAT?
by davedecay
Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:05 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: London Sessions: Föllakzoid feat. J. Spaceman
Replies: 47
Views: 17763

Re: London Sessions: Föllakzoid feat. J. Spaceman

For example:
http://www.firerecords.com/product/a-sc ... oundtrack/

Green and purple marbled vinyl LP.
£19.99

$24.46 US plus overseas shipping.
by davedecay
Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:33 pm
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: London Sessions: Föllakzoid feat. J. Spaceman
Replies: 47
Views: 17763

Re: London Sessions: Föllakzoid feat. J. Spaceman

This is how I feel when looking at UK releases, between exchange rate and shipping costs. Ugh!
by davedecay
Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:30 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Last five albums/lp's you bought?
Replies: 2585
Views: 691360

Re: Last five albums/lp's you bought?

Set up tables at a record expo yesterday. cleared out some old stock, bought some new-to-me things. Fugazi: Margin Walker and Fugazi EPs Pink Slip Daddy: Pink Slip Daddy LP (1988 garage pop rock featuring Ben Vaughan) Ox Bow: Fuck Fest Scarling.: Sweet Heart Dealer Hawkwind: Quark, Strangeness And C...
by davedecay
Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:02 am
Forum: Spacemen3
Topic: RSD rumour...
Replies: 95
Views: 40040

Re: RSD rumour...

I really want Recurring. OPs are way out of my range.

So, I may get the bootleg reissue (if it is). Sorry.

For All The Fucked-Up Children Of This World We Give You Spacemen 3 ... might as well, if I can get one.
by davedecay
Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:47 am
Forum: Other
Topic: Last five albums/lp's you bought?
Replies: 2585
Views: 691360

Re: Last five albums/lp's you bought?

A few interesting things... via mail: Coil - The Anal Staircase 12" In shops: Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band - Gorilla (reissue) Experimental Audio Research - Mesmerised Japan - Exorcising Ghosts Firewater - International Orange Wall of Voodoo - Dark Continent eels - tomorrow morning (buggered moldy sl...
by davedecay
Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:47 am
Forum: Gigs
Topic: Ticket stub challenge
Replies: 19
Views: 10704

Re: Ticket stub challenge

Not my oldest but it's one I can find.

Image
by davedecay
Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:25 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: BZAs Bootleg Requests...
Replies: 410
Views: 304412

Re: BZAs Bootleg Requests...

FLAC: 1995-04-30 Tower Theater, Philadelphia
https://we.tl/wpw7SUDBC8

MP3: 1997-12-12-Deep Ellum Dallas TX
https://we.tl/sj7BCzqmis

I think these links last about a week, today is 21 Jan.
by davedecay
Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:37 pm
Forum: Gigs
Topic: BZAs Bootleg Requests...
Replies: 410
Views: 304412

Re: BZAs Bootleg Requests...

Not uploaded yet - will post links when I do! :mrgreen: :lol:
by davedecay
Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:01 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Dungen - Ta Det Lugnt
Replies: 13
Views: 3918

Re: Dungen - Ta Det Lugnt

March 15th not far from me. http://www.r5productions.com/event/1384538-dungen-performing-adventures-philadelphia/ In between the release of Dungen’s most recent two albums (2010’s Skit I Allt and 2015’s Allas Sak), the beloved Stockholm quartet was asked to create an original score to Lotte Reiniger...
by davedecay
Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:26 am
Forum: Gigs
Topic: BZAs Bootleg Requests...
Replies: 410
Views: 304412

Re: BZAs Bootleg Requests...

FLAC:
1995-04-30 Tower Theater, Philadelphia

MP3:
1997-12-12-Deep Ellum Dallas TX
by davedecay
Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:37 am
Forum: Other
Topic: IPod back up / recovery?
Replies: 7
Views: 4005

Re: IPod back up / recovery?

You are welcome! on the Mac side, I have used Senuti. (which is iTunes spelled backwards)
by davedecay
Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:20 am
Forum: Other
Topic: Last five albums/lp's you bought?
Replies: 2585
Views: 691360

Re: Last five albums/lp's you bought?

Well today I picked up a few $1 LPs at the thrift shop (including Fleetwood Mac Rumors, which I didn't have) and also a nice pair of JBL speakers, J2080 model. can't wait to hook them up and crank them!

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers ... 94crx.aspx
by davedecay
Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:54 am
Forum: Music (Dedicated to Fuzzhead)
Topic: Pink Floyd 1977 -Animal Instincts
Replies: 9
Views: 3357

Re: Pink Floyd 1977 -Animal Instincts

notes with the FLACs I grabbed: Pink Floyd May 9th 1977 Alameda Coliseum Oakland CA, USA   Also Known As:  Oakland Coliseum / In the Flesh / Plays the Animals / Animal Instincts / Mr. Pig Source:  --> Animal Instincts rev. B <--  (HRV CDR 014) Audience:  Rating is 8/10, Recorded from the audience by...
by davedecay
Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:48 am
Forum: Other
Topic: IPod back up / recovery?
Replies: 7
Views: 4005

Re: IPod back up / recovery?

Mac or PC?
by davedecay
Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:06 am
Forum: Other
Topic: Last five albums/lp's you bought?
Replies: 2585
Views: 691360

Re: Last five albums/lp's you bought?

This coming Sunday I will be setting up a table at a record fair to hopefully shift some extras, doubles, and things I just don't NEED; and also perhaps come home with a few new treasures. My 8-foot table should hold about 12 boxes of records if I measure correctly. My goal is to move many of them a...