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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:17 pm

Dylan winning the Nobel seems to have enraged quite a few people which is funny. still somehow managing to troll people after all this time :)
Dylan does seem to be a bit of a marmite artist. you either get him in a deep way, or can't see what all the fuss is about.

FWIW I think it's a bit of a red herring- yes he's one of my favourite lyricists but I don't think his work counts as literature or poetry. only a few of the lyrics read well off the page- it's all so intertwined with the delivery and performance.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by jack white » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:43 am

Poetry is meant to be delivered and performed, it's all so intertwined in the language & form. Of course it counts as poetry. Anthony Kedis is a lyricist, Thom Yorke's a lyricist. Bob Dylan is a poet.
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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by semisynthetic » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:13 am

jack white wrote:Poetry is meant to be delivered and performed, it's all so intertwined in the language & form. Of course it counts as poetry. Anthony Kedis is a lyricist, Thom Yorke's a lyricist. Bob Dylan is a poet.
I do believe Poetry CAN be performed; but I also believe the difference between a musical presentation of "Poetic Lyrics" is, well, a musical performance. The Poetry Reading is an older form that one must look for in the World of Today; I have a wonderful Flyer from the 1890's of "A Miss (someone) will give her Interpretation of (someone's Poem), "X" at this place and this time. It had such wonderful artwork I used it to create a Flyer for a Graduate Student, "The Lovely Miss R. Will give her Novel Synthesis of Linear Dienones" and so on. But there was no music in either case, simply a talented delivery of Words of Meaning. Rarely does one see a Poetry Reading outside of academia or someone selling their latest book.

When I think of Poetry, there need not be anyone else but myself reading. A performance of Shakespeare is a play; the reading of it alone, by myself, is mine alone. I can understand how many people would be reticent to give an award for Literature to a Songwriter. I believe they invoked the impact of this one person over the decades to back their reasoning, and I am not bothered by it. It's their party, so the favors and prizes they give are theirs to give. As for myself, I tend to look at Poetry in a more classical manner, read to ones self, or perhaps to another, but not a "sold out house" unless the booking clearly reads Poetry Reading. When a band is added, it is music. In Book form, Lyrics can be Poetry for the way it will be "performed" - quietly alone in most cases.

Still, there ARE Lyrics that stand alone as wonderful Poetry; but I am more likely to think of Poetry as something read by myself, or read aloud. Are Bob Dylan's words alone Poetry? Surely, as many lyrics are. Simply remove the music. Much of music is poetry set to music, and some performances may be considered as "pure poetry". Still, I understand why others disagree, or why my interpretation is too narrow. To each his own, or her own. Maybe I just like to have those things that are defined to be reconsidered if they are changed significantly. Otherwise, what "meaning" is there to anything with meaning?
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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by TheWarmth » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:51 pm

In reviewing the releases in the Bootleg Series, I realized that I missed out on Vol. 8: Tell Tale Signs (Rare & Unreleased 1986-2006). I found a copy on Discogs and purchased it today. Looking forward to it. Curious if anyone here has thoughts on this volume.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by jack white » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:19 pm

Unsurprisingly, I love tell tale signs.
I don't want to spoil it for you by hyping it up so I'll say no more. Post yer thoughts tho when you listen to it please.



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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:02 pm

Tell Tale Signs is one of the very best of the Bootleg Series in my opinion.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by The Dr » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:07 pm

angelsighs wrote:Tell Tale Signs is one of the very best of the Bootleg Series in my opinion.
go tell ol' bill
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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by The Dr » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:37 pm

“You're not Dostoevsky,' said the citizeness

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by BzaInSpace » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:00 am

The triple-album part excited me.

The yet more old-time covers aspect does not... :(
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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:41 pm

yeah, not really interested in this. I agree it's cool that it's a triple album but another album of covers is not that exciting.
from what I heard of the Sinatra ones, his bands playing was really nice and stuff and he did okay but I would much rather hear him do original songs.
if he was doing covers I would prefer they were totally random or modern tunes rather than old standards too. he's covered the odd weird one on the Never Ending Tour..

he's no spring chicken.. I wonder if Tempest will remain his last statement of original songs?

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by The Dr » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:19 am

hint?
I mentioned last Monday that we would soon have full details about Clinton Heylin’s new Dylan book “Trouble In Mind: Bob Dylan’s Gospel Years — What Really Happened.” Published in the UK by those nice people at route publishing, the book will be issued in paperback to coincide with the next official Bootleg Series box set release. Due for publication in the UK during the first week of November

plus

I’m hearing rumours that Bob spent time in a studio while in Ireland at the end of his European tour. I mentioned in the latest issue of ISIS some weeks back that Dylan spent several days in Ireland after his concert at the 3Arena in Dublin on Thursday May 11. I heard he was in Dublin until the Monday after the show, which at the time seemed a little strange to me. Well, it appears that during this time he spent three days at Ardmore Studios in Bray. There are rumours that he might have been recording an album there but this would seem extremely unlikely. Ardmore Studios in Killarney, Bray, are used almost exclusively for recording film, television and video. Irish band The Corrs has recorded two albums there but both of those involved filming: “The Corrs Unplugged” was part of MTV’s Unplugged series and “The Corrs, Live In Dublin” was part of the VH1 Presents series.

With its five sound stages, all geared up primarily for film work, Ardmore Studios is just 12 miles south of Dublin city. The recording is said to have been carried out with Irish engineers but also possibly with US personnel flown in for the duration. Dylan’s tour band was present throughout.
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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by TheWarmth » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:58 pm

My understanding is the the next Bootleg release is definitely a gospel years set.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:48 am

yeah there's been a fair few leaks and tidbits about the next Bootleg Series which is definitely going to be a Gospel Years set. It's unclear how many discs it's going to be (probably with various options for how big your wallet is) but will probably include some video, a complete live show as well as studio versions of songs not heard before.
Not sure I'm that interested in this period to be honest, having said that the Bootleg Series can often be really good at making you reevaluate the era it documents. I always got the impression Self Portrait was crap, but Another Self Portrait was a great listen.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by The Dr » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:32 pm

i recently found the 1965 bonus live shows avaible to download online. don't know if i'll ever listen to them though!

also doing the rounds is a live snippet of lily,...jack of hearts never heard before from the rolling thunder warm ups. seems the one after may be rolling thunder
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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:14 pm

I remember that live version of Lily.. being rumoured for ages. I think it was seen on setlists but never actually circulated until now. I'm curious, but it's not a song I have much fondness for- it totally ruins the flow of Blood On The Tracks!

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:40 am

so they've announced the next Bootleg Series and as expected it covers the 'Gospel years'

8 CDs and a DVD with documentary. first two discs is a curated selection of live highlights (these discs also make up the 2CD option), then there's some studio recordings, then finally a couple of discs with complete live shows.

I think this might be the first Dylan bootleg series I skip. The OCD part of me pains that there'll be a gap on the shelf, but I'm just not that interested in this period. It looks like they've done it well and covered a lot, but I'm just not that interested in hearing Dylan sermonise over a slick rock backing. it's a strange period of his career.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by TheWarmth » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:34 pm

I'm torn over this release, too. The 4xLP version is $100. I hate the idea of spending that much cash on something I'll never listen to, but who knows, maybe I'd really dig it. My gut says that I won't, though.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:45 pm

for what it's worth, I've heard a fair amount of people say that the music of this period is pretty fine, even if you don't agree with the message. and that a lot of the best stuff isn't on the albums.

the cost is a bit eyewatering, I would just think of how many other albums I could buy for that price.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by The Dr » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:42 pm

i'm very excited about this. i love this period, some songs- i beleive in you, every grain of sand, slow train etc are amoung his best. the price puts me off though. i normally buy them and then send people links to download my cds, maybe i'll be the lucky one this time, hint hint :lol: :wink:
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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:52 am

I can't argue with Every Grain of Sand, great song. But even the other key songs of this period don't do much for me
Roll on Bootleg Series vol 14 which is likely to be a Blood on The Tracks set (possibly with other stuff from the period- Rolling Thunder, Desire?)

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by The Dr » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:46 pm

i've only just finished the basement tapes! still so much to go through

what eras haven't been done yet? early's been done, mid 60s (inc 66 twice), late 60s, 70s (once), 80s-2000s

what's been missed so far? recent tours?

are there outtakes from tempest?
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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:09 pm

The Dr wrote:i've only just finished the basement tapes! still so much to go through

what eras haven't been done yet? early's been done, mid 60s (inc 66 twice), late 60s, 70s (once), 80s-2000s

what's been missed so far? recent tours?

are there outtakes from tempest?
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/featu ... oc-w504817
check out this article. lots of ideas knocking around for future entries. they are bound to do something on the Never Ending Tour eventually- I think all the shows are pro recorded.

I've also heard an idea of one covering pre-fame Dylan in the coffee shops of New York.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by The Dr » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:26 pm

anyone know where I can get bootlegs of the current tour (starting this month)?
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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by TheWarmth » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:43 pm

Stream 15 tracks from the new boxset. Gotta admit, it's pretty awesome stuff. Now I want it.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by 1+1-1 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:21 pm

o that era is great. if he had been singing and rambling on about heroin everyone would love it, but as he uses the words God and Jesus people hate it- something that destroys lives- great, something that saves lives- bad


liberals eh? :wink:

if only it wasn't 150! the dvd film looks awesome too!

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:12 pm

oh no don't say that! I need to save my pennies :(

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by 1+1-1 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:44 pm

it's brilliant. I found a copy online as it is beyond my reach atm but i'd happily make it part of my collection in the future

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by space » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:06 pm

Bob Dylan - More Blood, More Tracks
The Wait Is Over
The latest chapter in the highly acclaimed Bootleg Series presents the pivotal studio recordings made by Bob Dylan during six extraordinary sessions in 1974 that resulted in the artist's 1975 masterpiece, Blood On The Tracks.

More Blood, More Tracks will be available as a strictly limited deluxe CD set and as a 1CD / 2LP configuration.

The 6CD full-length deluxe version includes the complete New York sessions in chronological order including outtakes, false starts and studio banter. The album's producers have worked from the best sources available, in most cases utilizing the original multi-track session tapes.
Bob Dylan - More Blood, More Tracks
Also included is a hardcover photo book featuring a complete reproduction of one of Dylan's legendary handwritten 57 page notebooks, where you can follow the lyrical development of the songs that would eventually comprise Blood On The Tracks.

The deluxe box set is a limited edition. After it sells out, no additional copies will be made.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by Pat Garrett » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:45 pm

For those in the US, Amazon Canada is offering the new sets for much less than the US site. I just ordered the 6CDs and the vinyl for $110 total (would have been $190 on the US site).

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by space » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:53 pm

Pat Garrett wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:45 pm
For those in the US, Amazon Canada is offering the new sets for much less than the US site. I just ordered the 6CDs and the vinyl for $110 total (would have been $190 on the US site).

do you have a link for canada? it's £251 in the uk!

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by Pat Garrett » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:06 am

Unfortunately Amazon.ca sold out of the CD set five mins after I posted this. The price you mentioned is probably for the Japanese import. It's on Amazon.de for 120 Euros.

https://www.amazon.de/More-Blood-Tracks ... ore+tracks

Edit: that's the same price as HMV UK:
https://store.hmv.com/music/cd/more-blo ... tracks-(1)

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by space » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:30 am

Pat Garrett wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:06 am
Unfortunately Amazon.ca sold out of the CD set five mins after I posted this. The price you mentioned is probably for the Japanese import. It's on Amazon.de for 120 Euros.

https://www.amazon.de/More-Blood-Tracks ... ore+tracks

Edit: that's the same price as HMV UK:
https://store.hmv.com/music/cd/more-blo ... tracks-(1)

awesome! thank you, ordered from hmv!

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:28 am

I love Dylan but its gonna be the 1CD version for me. The notebook included sounds awesome (if likely just a way to bump up the price point) but I can’t see myself regularly listening to endless takes of the same songs.

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Re: The Dylan Thread

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angelsighs wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:28 am
I love Dylan but its gonna be the 1CD version for me. The notebook included sounds awesome (if likely just a way to bump up the price point) but I can’t see myself regularly listening to endless takes of the same songs.
it was the notebooks which did it for me

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by angelsighs » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:02 pm

space wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:35 am
angelsighs wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:28 am
I love Dylan but its gonna be the 1CD version for me. The notebook included sounds awesome (if likely just a way to bump up the price point) but I can’t see myself regularly listening to endless takes of the same songs.
it was the notebooks which did it for me
fair enough, like I say that's blatantly a way to justify the price point more (otherwise that price for 6CDs is rather steep) but cool item regardless

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Re: The Dylan Thread

Post by space » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:18 pm

angelsighs wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:02 pm
space wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:35 am
angelsighs wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:28 am
I love Dylan but its gonna be the 1CD version for me. The notebook included sounds awesome (if likely just a way to bump up the price point) but I can’t see myself regularly listening to endless takes of the same songs.
it was the notebooks which did it for me
fair enough, like I say that's blatantly a way to justify the price point more (otherwise that price for 6CDs is rather steep) but cool item regardless
i agree, but it worked on me! though being it shown at amazon prices and then the hmv price was also big in the decision making.

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