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Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by synthiA » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:21 pm

The new record comes out on March 19th, yet the details are absent from this website (the prescriptions page refers to info on the Domino website). Just wondering if anyone has heard any of the recordings. Seems like they managed to keep this one from leaking early.
Is there going to be an ep/single/7" before hand? Or are those days over? Artwork for the new record? Anybody know?

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by Kurious Oranj » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:12 am

that's still about 2 months away

albums dont usually leak that early

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Post by redcloud » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:41 am

Every time I see their new title I think of the Byrds 'Sweetheart of the Rodeo' LP.

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Post by synthiA » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:07 am

Kurious Oranj wrote:that's still about 2 months away

albums dont usually leak that early
Spiritualized records do. And it's probably the only time I take the trouble to download instead of waiting for a release.
From memory,
Ladies and Gentlemen came out in late May/Early June (there was a delay because of the Elvis lyrics). I had a copy of it at Easter, which would have been early April(and that was on mailed DAT, b4 the days of internet downloading).
Let it Come down was released in September, yet I remember going to a 4th of July bbq and playing it then.
Amazing Grace.... I think that was a really long wait for the actual release. I think I had it in May or June and it didn't come out till September.
A&E. I had it at least month before and at that point the artwork, soul on fire 7", and format release was in the press and around.

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Post by TheWarmth » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:36 pm

I'm hoping that it doesn't leak and I can get the physical version in my hand rather than a potentially iffy rip for my first listen.

Surely, the artwork has got to be nearly done by now. Can't wait to see what it's like.

As for a single, I doubt there will be one, but that's just as well.

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by jadams501 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:52 pm

No single? I don't think J will get much airplay at this point, but I would think it would still be worth his while to sell some limited edition vinyl.

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by mc » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:07 pm

John Mulvey at Uncut has heard it, so it is out there in some form:

http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/wild-mercur ... st-of-2012

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Post by Kurious Oranj » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:28 am

mc wrote:John Mulvey at Uncut has heard it, so it is out there in some form:

http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/wild-mercur ... st-of-2012
oh cool.. i like the comment about new tindersticks too

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Post by simonkeeping » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:18 pm

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by warmgun. » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:48 pm

I suppose for anyone on this board, this was kind of inevitable: http://www.spin.com/articles/how-spirit ... -reviewers

I guess we have a couple of weeks longer to wait before it sees the (sweet) light of day.

Still, a couple of weeks is better than a couple of months, I suppose. Hopefully it doesn't turn into the latter with all of that "tinkering" :wink:.

Also, it will be quite interesting to eventually hear the difference between the promo version and the final version...

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Post by TheWarmth » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:01 pm

This is really bizarre, in my opinion. I'm shocked that he had no qualms with sending out unfinished copies of the album.

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by Sim » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:38 pm

Do reviewers really need 4 months living with an album before they can review it these days?

I'm sure it used to be the case that I'd hear a new release on the radio, read reviews etc the week before it was available in the shops.

I actually like this, potentially 2 versions of the album...... possibly, J's idea of a change is quite probably undetectable to most people's ears...
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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by bunnyben » Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:35 am

shouldn't there be a comma?
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by clewsr » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:43 am

that is really quite funny. Need to hear the press copy now though!

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Post by simonkeeping » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:07 am

Sim wrote: J's idea of a change is quite probably undetectable to most people's ears...
Yeah I think you've hit the nail on the head there. From what he said in that 6 music interview he was just raising small sections of drums by 0.1 of a db. Probably the same with guitars and vocals. I doubt anyone with normal hearing could hear the difference.
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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by clewsr » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:59 am

its either a case that he really needs to just let it go and be finished with it, or that his perfectionism is admirable.

I'm reminded of the Julian Cope quote about Jason spending months and in the studio, and then freaking out and starting all over again. Lets hope that doesn't happen!

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by angelsighs » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:03 am

hmm rather weird. I guess a couple more weeks to wait isn't the end of the world.

would be interesting to compare both versions, just to see how different they are, and exactly what Jason's idea of tinkering is

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by bunnyben » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:37 pm

"Tinkering?" he says irritably. "Is that what you think I'm doing? Tinkering?" No no no no. Silly question. Poor choice of words.

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'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by jadams501 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:12 pm

Clever on J's part, but I do think that sometimes he over-tinkers to the point of sucking some of the life out of things. Both Pure Phase and Ladies & Gents to me sound a little too fussy and overcooked. But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by clewsr » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:45 pm

jadams501 wrote: But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.
yep, count yourself amongst the the very few with that opinion!

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Post by jadams501 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:30 pm

clewsr wrote:
jadams501 wrote: But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.
yep, count yourself amongst the the very few with that opinion!
I wouldn't say Amazing Grace is one of J's best in terms of songwriting (though Richie Lee and Rated X are really great) but in terms of capturing the band's sound (circa that time period) in the studio. Pure Phase and Ladies & Gents were too manicured to capture the band's raw power, Let It Come Down was a little bloated (as much as I love that album too), and Songs in A&E sounded a little too generically indie. In terms of making the most of the material, I'd say Lazer Guided Melodies is his best, followed by Amazing Grace. Which album has his greatest songs in terms of composition is a separate question.

That said, I hope that we have a new champion in about 2 months...

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SHSL Delayed.........

Post by toomilk » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:12 am

Not a big surprise, but the release of Sweet Heart Sweet Light has been delayed until "late March or early April."

According to Spin, reviewers have already received copies of the album although it isn't finished. I smell collectors' items!!!

http://www.spin.com/articles/how-spirit ... -reviewers

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Re: SHSL Delayed.........

Post by Kurious Oranj » Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:06 am

wasnt the album already slated for "late march" in the first place?

kind of an overdramatic thread title

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Post by bunnyben » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:32 pm

19th, no?
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by bunnyben » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:35 pm

clewsr wrote:
jadams501 wrote: But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.
yep, count yourself amongst the the very few with that opinion!
i think it's in the top 3- last being lgm. that album seems to be over over crafted so it is lifless which is more apparent when you hear the songs live
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'

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Post by TheWarmth » Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:44 pm

I'm surprised that no reviews have popped up, since obviously a number of journalists have had the album for awhile now.

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by synthiA » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:51 pm

jadams501 wrote:
clewsr wrote:
jadams501 wrote: But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.
yep, count yourself amongst the the very few with that opinion!
I wouldn't say Amazing Grace is one of J's best in terms of songwriting (though Richie Lee and Rated X are really great) but in terms of capturing the band's sound (circa that time period) in the studio. Pure Phase and Ladies & Gents were too manicured to capture the band's raw power, Let It Come Down was a little bloated (as much as I love that album too), and Songs in A&E sounded a little too generically indie. In terms of making the most of the material, I'd say Lazer Guided Melodies is his best, followed by Amazing Grace. Which album has his greatest songs in terms of composition is a separate question.

That said, I hope that we have a new champion in about 2 months...
I agree with you 100%!

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Post by BzaInSpace » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:27 am

jadams501 wrote: Songs in A&E sounded a little too generically indie...
Can't agree with you there - since when has "generically indie" sounded like that? If anything, A&E just finally makes good on the promise J has mentioned in the run up to the last few albums; that he was going to strip away all the sonic artifice and jettison the 'Spiritualized effects'.

The choral backing vocals, bells, chimes, viola, accordions and broken music box (close mic'd to sound like breathing)...well, it's not exactly Noah & The Fucking Whale is it?

The truth is, Songs in A&E is as richly layered and beautifully crafted as any other Spiritualized record.

Anyway... Sweet Heart, Sweet Light. While I hope it's not delayed too much, it occurs to me that this might be a sort of genius move by Spaceman to beat the pre-release internet "leak" thing, especially if the final version will be essentially a different mix. I also think that for Spiritualized addicts (like me) there may well be a noticable difference. I like his line

"...with the reviews, sometimes it's like they've got a different album anyway"

Reminds me of when Primal Scream released their last album, there was a version doing the rounds pre-release apparently done by Andrew Innes which featured a bunch of repeated 20 second loops of each track. Hilariously, I think some reviews of that album were obviously based on this. At least one person on here was going on about how bad the album was until it was pointed out that they were listening to the looped version too... :wink:
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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by angelsighs » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:21 pm

there's another (very small) interview with Jason about the new album in this weeks NME. read it in the shop like i did :)
BzaInSpace wrote:Reminds me of when Primal Scream released their last album, there was a version doing the rounds pre-release apparently done by Andrew Innes which featured a bunch of repeated 20 second loops of each track. Hilariously, I think some reviews of that album were obviously based on this. At least one person on here was going on about how bad the album was until it was pointed out that they were listening to the looped version too... :wink:
haha that's hilarious.

A&E, generic indie it is not.
but it's certainly more conventional sounding than a lot of the bands stuff. it pisses on Amazing Grace though.

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by moop » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:07 pm

angelsighs wrote:A&E, generic indie it is not.
but it's certainly more conventional sounding than a lot of the bands stuff. it pisses on Amazing Grace though.
A&E is certainly not generic indie. it's a weird album since it's so nicely produced but still has jarring elements in the choice of instruments previously mentioned. it works nicely i think and has a strangely warm and organic feel despite it's very 'clinical' title. to me, AG feels much colder and drier, even though it was basically recorded live and has a lot of energy in the songs. obviously it's a deliberate approach to recording, but to be honest i much prefer some of the AG bootlegs/gigs to the album.
in terms of the new album, based on the interviews, gigs, songs, title etc i think it's gonna be a really 'warm' record (with 'icy' moments). i'll be an optimist and say that a lush, warm production style will probably make sense of tracks like 'hey little girl' and 'freedom'. it'll be really interesting to see what he does with the more out-there stuff though. hopefully it wont be too reigned-in!

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by angelsighs » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:23 pm

a warm production style would also be what i would like to hear on the new material. i am so used to hearing them with the particular ambience of the live recordings, i hope the record isnt too dry and cold like you say.

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Post by rediffusion » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:35 am

huh? a new album?
can't wait ;)

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by angelsighs » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:56 pm

theres a review of SHSL in the latest issue of Word magazine

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Post by jack white » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:42 pm

well whats the verdict/word AS?

any 'deets' from the review?? won't be anywhere where word is sold today or tomorrow... & is it the 'old' SHSL they've reviewed? prob is...
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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by angelsighs » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:15 pm

dunno mate, got the info from this thread on their website:

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/s ... 0#comments

i'm pretty sure its the old version they will be reviewing, consider they are first out of the starting blocks with their review.

also be aware that the review is by Simon Price, chum and biographer of runcibles fave band the Manic Street Preachers.. :)

I'm surprised more reviews haven't been printed yet. Uncut say they are reviewing it next month with the description that its 'reminiscent of the Velvets in its more driving material, and Richard Ashcrofts solo stuff in the more reflective material'

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Post by BzaInSpace » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:42 pm

angelsighs wrote:'reminiscent of ... Richard Ashcrofts solo stuff in the more reflective material'
Aw no...
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Post by angelsighs » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:53 pm

BzaInSpace wrote:
angelsighs wrote:'reminiscent of ... Richard Ashcrofts solo stuff in the more reflective material'
Aw no...
:) haha thought that might get a comment. might just be a lazy comparison by them (lazy journalism.. surely not??)

look at it this way- we know all the songs already. you know if you like them or not.
its just the production we've got to worry about.

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Post by synthiA » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:09 pm

I'm not really sure I see/hear the VU reference. Is that just the press being super lazy (Did they just watch the interview from December where the interviewer remarked how sweetheart-sweet light sounded liked a VU ref )?

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Post by jadams501 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:18 pm

Fair or not, I will not read or take into account a review by somebody with that close a relationship with the Manic Street Preachers.

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Post by bunnyben » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:47 pm

synthiA wrote:I'm not really sure I see/hear the VU reference. Is that just the press being super lazy (Did they just watch the interview from December where the interviewer remarked how sweetheart-sweet light sounded liked a VU ref )?
sweet jane on the radio
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'

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Post by synthiA » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:31 am

yeah, I get that !!!
But mentioning a VU song in your lyrics and being "reminiscent of the Velvets in its more driving material" are two different things, agreed? No, I haven't heard the recordings but the VU's driving material... that would be white light, white heat (which is where, I assume, we get sweet heart, sweet light). So my question is, where is the sound of Lady Godiva's Operation, Sister Ray, and WLWH? The impression I get is that this record is a departure from that fuzzed out chaotic sound in favor of something upfront and clean (paraphrasing Jason's words here).

Conclusion:
This reviewer didn't actually listen to SHSL (or WLWH)
OR
The review actually has the new mix of the record where Jason decided to just master it through a fuzzbox.

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Post by angelsighs » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:46 am

the VU also did 'driving material' that sounded a bit cleaner- Rock and Roll, Sweet Jane, There She Goes Again..

I'd say the first part of Hey Jane is rather Velvets-esque.

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Post by BzaInSpace » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:38 am

angelsighs wrote: might just be a lazy comparison by them (lazy journalism.. surely not??)
Haha. In saying that I used to like Simon Price's writing - it could often be a tad OTT but that's OK, I always got the impression that he meant it, man. So I'd be interested in what he had to say. Wouldn't have thought Spiritualized was really his thing though... is he still waiting for the second coming of Romo? :wink:

I remember reading an interview with him regarding the final years at Melody Maker (and why he left) He was essentially being told not to criticize the likes of Oasis and other really shit britpop bands, presumably for commercial reasons - any contrary opinion was being edited or cut out. So fair play I guess.

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Post by bunnyben » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:20 am

synthiA wrote:yeah, I get that !!!
But mentioning a VU song in your lyrics and being "reminiscent of the Velvets in its more driving material" are two different things, agreed? No, I haven't heard the recordings but the VU's driving material... that would be white light, white heat (which is where, I assume, we get sweet heart, sweet light). So my question is, where is the sound of Lady Godiva's Operation, Sister Ray, and WLWH? The impression I get is that this record is a departure from that fuzzed out chaotic sound in favor of something upfront and clean (paraphrasing Jason's words here).

Conclusion:
This reviewer didn't actually listen to SHSL (or WLWH)
OR
The review actually has the new mix of the record where Jason decided to just master it through a fuzzbox.
i know :wink: i was being facetious. maybe there are similarities to albums like vu (lost album) or loaded but it sounds like spz to me, then again we've not heard the masters
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by jack white » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:49 am

i think these songs, Hey Jane especially, are the most VU sounding/influenced songs he's done since TPP. it definitely does have a Loaded feel.
agree w/Angelsighs about the first part of Hey Jane. & initially i did get confused w/Sweet Jane. hopefully there's a bit of Rock n Roll Animal Sweet Jane on SHSL.
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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by angelsighs » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:03 am

yeah it does have a Loaded feel, that was their 'pop album' too
like that album, SHSL mixes up driving rock with delicate ballads and a little gospel

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Post by bunnyben » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:33 pm

angelsighs wrote:SHSL mixes up driving rock with delicate ballads and a little gospel
...making it potentially thier most 'complete' album?
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
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Post by angelsighs » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:49 pm

bunnyben wrote:
angelsighs wrote:SHSL mixes up driving rock with delicate ballads and a little gospel
...making it potentially thier most 'complete' album?
possibly.. arguably..
it needs a bit more freejazz in there too maybe :)

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Post by TheWarmth » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:50 pm

I hope that the small section of free-jazz, psychedelic noise in the middle of "Hey Jane" is all that there is of that on the new album. I was thinking about this yesterday and I can probably count on one hand how many times I have listened to the studio version of "Cop Shoot Cop" all the way through. It's just too jarring to last for such a lengthy period of time. I feel pretty much the same way about "Electric Phase", despite it's considerably shorter length.

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by jadams501 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:58 pm

I agree. To me the whole "free jazz" thing is by far the least interesting element of the Spiritualized sound. Cop Shoot Cop is marred by the indulgent noise in the middle. 30 seconds or a minute would have been effective, but it becomes tiresome.

I have been purposefully avoiding listening to any of the new songs until the album is out, but reading that the free jazz is at a minimum has me more excited for it!

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by angelsighs » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:03 pm

okay I finally found a shop that stocked Word mag, had a flick through

it's a generally positive review (Word reviews are just text, no ratings)

bits that I can remember

-it's Jasons ode to redemption through music

-the words are, depending on your viewpoint, effectively using well worn lyrical tropes, or laziness

-the album is definitely 'of a piece', and the production is warm and like it was 'dipped in honey'

-the only time it gets noisy is in Heading For The Top and the outro of I Am What I Am


oh... and I love the freejazz and think its an essential element of the Spz soup.. Cop Shoot Cop is awesome!

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by warmgun. » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:39 pm

TheWarmth wrote:I hope that the small section of free-jazz, psychedelic noise in the middle of "Hey Jane" is all that there is of that on the new album. I was thinking about this yesterday and I can probably count on one hand how many times I have listened to the studio version of "Cop Shoot Cop" all the way through. It's just too jarring to last for such a lengthy period of time. I feel pretty much the same way about "Electric Phase", despite it's considerably shorter length.
What?! Those are some of my very favourite moments! I love how they stand out a little compared to the uplifting gospel songs and more straightforward ballads and garage rockers! The middle part of Hey Jane actually had me quite excited when I first heard it.

LAGWAFIS must be a bit of a struggle then with The Individual AND No God, Only Religion on it as well?

Actually, I'm not really that surprised - there's plenty to love on these albums, so it only makes sense that people don't all gravitate to one aspect or another. Still, for me the freak-outs are a big part of of what defines Spiritualized, especially when there are horns involved.

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Post by jadams501 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:36 am

warmgun. wrote:What?! Those are some of my very favourite moments! I love how they stand out a little compared to the uplifting gospel songs and more straightforward ballads and garage rockers! The middle part of Hey Jane actually had me quite excited when I first heard it.

LAGWAFIS must be a bit of a struggle then with The Individual AND No God, Only Religion on it as well?

Actually, I'm not really that surprised - there's plenty to love on these albums, so it only makes sense that people don't all gravitate to one aspect or another. Still, for me the freak-outs are a big part of of what defines Spiritualized, especially when there are horns involved.
Although I dislike much of the so-called free jazz, I like it when they have a point, and both of those instrumentals from Ladies & Gents serve a purpose. The Individual illustrates the inevitable consequences of Home of The Brave, and No God Only Religion is distinct in and of itself. I also like Power and the Glory as well as the escalating freakout at the end of Shine a Light. But sometimes, as in Cop Shoot Cop, it goes on too long to the detriment of the song and other times it's just kinda unnecessary.

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by runcible » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:08 am

warmgun. wrote:LAGWAFIS must be a bit of a struggle then with The Individual AND No God, Only Religion on it as well?
Indeed. I'm with Paul Warmth here - those bits don't wow me. I never liked the free form freakouts Spacemen 3 used to do live in the build up to Starship, and these are the least interesting sections of Spiritualized records too. I just find them without real direction. Noise is one thing but free form noise is, as you say, a struggle.

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Post by purespace » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:10 pm

one night several years ago, I was in a certain state and feeling fine. Never got Cop Shoot Cop until then. The freakout middle section transported my brain to another planet - - I heard subtleties and pathways that were buried in the song before that-- full on disorientation and loss of place in physical space - - definite out of body experience - - then the pushing and pulling of heavy river currents. It was immense. I get out of my mind in those freakouts 8)
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Post by bunnyben » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:45 pm

purespace wrote:one night several years ago, I was in a certain state and feeling fine. Never got Cop Shoot Cop until then. The freakout middle section transported my brain to another planet - - I heard subtleties and pathways that were buried in the song before that-- full on disorientation and loss of place in physical space - - definite out of body experience - - then the pushing and pulling of heavy river currents. It was immense. I get out of my mind in those freakouts 8)
...and then the desert section completely obliterates :wink:
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
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of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by moop » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:02 pm

bunnyben wrote:
purespace wrote:one night several years ago, I was in a certain state and feeling fine. Never got Cop Shoot Cop until then. The freakout middle section transported my brain to another planet - - I heard subtleties and pathways that were buried in the song before that-- full on disorientation and loss of place in physical space - - definite out of body experience - - then the pushing and pulling of heavy river currents. It was immense. I get out of my mind in those freakouts 8)
...and then the desert section completely obliterates :wink:
right. it's all about the desert section. devastating!
to be honest i think that track makes much more sense live, since the noise sections are more visceral. i remember when they opened their sets with it (amazing grace tour?) and it was just perfect. also ending with it seemed to work just as well...

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Post by TheWarmth » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:31 pm

For the record, I really like "No God, Only Religion". It's a super heavy psych-rock song with a nice, simple chord progression. It's quite different from the free-jazz tracks like "The Power & The Glory".

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Post by Kurious Oranj » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:05 am

runcible wrote: I never liked the free form freakouts Spacemen 3 used to do live in the build up to Starship, and these are the least interesting sections of Spiritualized records too.
any bootlegs where i can hear this?

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Post by runcible » Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:21 pm

Kurious Oranj wrote:
runcible wrote: I never liked the free form freakouts Spacemen 3 used to do live in the build up to Starship, and these are the least interesting sections of Spiritualized records too.
any bootlegs where i can hear this?
You can hear it on the live EP 'Threebie 3' that was recorded at the same gig as Performance.

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by simonkeeping » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:35 pm

jadams501 wrote:I agree. To me the whole "free jazz" thing is by far the least interesting element of the Spiritualized sound. Cop Shoot Cop is marred by the indulgent noise in the middle. 30 seconds or a minute would have been effective, but it becomes tiresome.

I have been purposefully avoiding listening to any of the new songs until the album is out, but reading that the free jazz is at a minimum has me more excited for it!
I have to say I used to struggle with the freeout at the end of Cop Shoot Cop until I read an interview with Jason about the freeout in CSC being about a trip across America in a tour bus seeing all these amazing things he'd never seen before. Reading into that further It's almost as if his eyes couldn't take it all in, hence the overwelming noise. Again its probably me putting meanings to things which aren't 100% true, (but listening to music is a very personal experience) but when I hear it now it has that joy and wild eyed abandonment of someone experiencing something they've never felt or seen before. That's obviously at odds with the songs sombre mood in the first section and that there's some dark vocal howls as it descends into that section of noise but hey, Its all personal innit.
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Post by bunnyben » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:43 pm

do you have a link to the interview? sounds interesting
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'

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Re: Sweet Heart Sweet Light

Post by synthiA » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:46 am

Always interesting that some of the biggest fans have such varying opinions on these things. When properly placed, I really like the noise/free jazz bits. Cop Shoot Cop remains in my favorite 3 SPZ tracks. It pulls you in, shoots you away, and lands you gently down in the desert.

In general, I thought the noise bits at the LAG shows were the best executed in the band's history. Even electricity floored me. It was noisy, but it sounded like each person, or group of people, took a certain frequency range and stuck to it... and the venue could handle it.

I still think comparing SHSL to WLWH is lazy and while I can see the comparison to Loaded, Loaded was hardly driving.

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