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Sweet Heart Sweet Light
The new record comes out on March 19th, yet the details are absent from this website (the prescriptions page refers to info on the Domino website). Just wondering if anyone has heard any of the recordings. Seems like they managed to keep this one from leaking early.
Is there going to be an ep/single/7" before hand? Or are those days over? Artwork for the new record? Anybody know?
Is there going to be an ep/single/7" before hand? Or are those days over? Artwork for the new record? Anybody know?
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that's still about 2 months away
albums dont usually leak that early
albums dont usually leak that early
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Every time I see their new title I think of the Byrds 'Sweetheart of the Rodeo' LP.
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Spiritualized records do. And it's probably the only time I take the trouble to download instead of waiting for a release.Kurious Oranj wrote:that's still about 2 months away
albums dont usually leak that early
From memory,
Ladies and Gentlemen came out in late May/Early June (there was a delay because of the Elvis lyrics). I had a copy of it at Easter, which would have been early April(and that was on mailed DAT, b4 the days of internet downloading).
Let it Come down was released in September, yet I remember going to a 4th of July bbq and playing it then.
Amazing Grace.... I think that was a really long wait for the actual release. I think I had it in May or June and it didn't come out till September.
A&E. I had it at least month before and at that point the artwork, soul on fire 7", and format release was in the press and around.
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I'm hoping that it doesn't leak and I can get the physical version in my hand rather than a potentially iffy rip for my first listen.
Surely, the artwork has got to be nearly done by now. Can't wait to see what it's like.
As for a single, I doubt there will be one, but that's just as well.
Surely, the artwork has got to be nearly done by now. Can't wait to see what it's like.
As for a single, I doubt there will be one, but that's just as well.
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No single? I don't think J will get much airplay at this point, but I would think it would still be worth his while to sell some limited edition vinyl.
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John Mulvey at Uncut has heard it, so it is out there in some form:
http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/wild-mercur ... st-of-2012
http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/wild-mercur ... st-of-2012
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oh cool.. i like the comment about new tindersticks toomc wrote:John Mulvey at Uncut has heard it, so it is out there in some form:
http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/wild-mercur ... st-of-2012
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I suppose for anyone on this board, this was kind of inevitable: http://www.spin.com/articles/how-spirit ... -reviewers
I guess we have a couple of weeks longer to wait before it sees the (sweet) light of day.
Still, a couple of weeks is better than a couple of months, I suppose. Hopefully it doesn't turn into the latter with all of that "tinkering" .
Also, it will be quite interesting to eventually hear the difference between the promo version and the final version...
I guess we have a couple of weeks longer to wait before it sees the (sweet) light of day.
Still, a couple of weeks is better than a couple of months, I suppose. Hopefully it doesn't turn into the latter with all of that "tinkering" .
Also, it will be quite interesting to eventually hear the difference between the promo version and the final version...
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This is really bizarre, in my opinion. I'm shocked that he had no qualms with sending out unfinished copies of the album.
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Do reviewers really need 4 months living with an album before they can review it these days?
I'm sure it used to be the case that I'd hear a new release on the radio, read reviews etc the week before it was available in the shops.
I actually like this, potentially 2 versions of the album...... possibly, J's idea of a change is quite probably undetectable to most people's ears...
I'm sure it used to be the case that I'd hear a new release on the radio, read reviews etc the week before it was available in the shops.
I actually like this, potentially 2 versions of the album...... possibly, J's idea of a change is quite probably undetectable to most people's ears...
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shouldn't there be a comma?
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
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that is really quite funny. Need to hear the press copy now though!
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Yeah I think you've hit the nail on the head there. From what he said in that 6 music interview he was just raising small sections of drums by 0.1 of a db. Probably the same with guitars and vocals. I doubt anyone with normal hearing could hear the difference.Sim wrote: J's idea of a change is quite probably undetectable to most people's ears...
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its either a case that he really needs to just let it go and be finished with it, or that his perfectionism is admirable.
I'm reminded of the Julian Cope quote about Jason spending months and in the studio, and then freaking out and starting all over again. Lets hope that doesn't happen!
I'm reminded of the Julian Cope quote about Jason spending months and in the studio, and then freaking out and starting all over again. Lets hope that doesn't happen!
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hmm rather weird. I guess a couple more weeks to wait isn't the end of the world.
would be interesting to compare both versions, just to see how different they are, and exactly what Jason's idea of tinkering is
would be interesting to compare both versions, just to see how different they are, and exactly what Jason's idea of tinkering is
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"Tinkering?" he says irritably. "Is that what you think I'm doing? Tinkering?" No no no no. Silly question. Poor choice of words.
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
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Clever on J's part, but I do think that sometimes he over-tinkers to the point of sucking some of the life out of things. Both Pure Phase and Ladies & Gents to me sound a little too fussy and overcooked. But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.
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yep, count yourself amongst the the very few with that opinion!jadams501 wrote: But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.
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I wouldn't say Amazing Grace is one of J's best in terms of songwriting (though Richie Lee and Rated X are really great) but in terms of capturing the band's sound (circa that time period) in the studio. Pure Phase and Ladies & Gents were too manicured to capture the band's raw power, Let It Come Down was a little bloated (as much as I love that album too), and Songs in A&E sounded a little too generically indie. In terms of making the most of the material, I'd say Lazer Guided Melodies is his best, followed by Amazing Grace. Which album has his greatest songs in terms of composition is a separate question.clewsr wrote:yep, count yourself amongst the the very few with that opinion!jadams501 wrote: But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.
That said, I hope that we have a new champion in about 2 months...
SHSL Delayed.........
Not a big surprise, but the release of Sweet Heart Sweet Light has been delayed until "late March or early April."
According to Spin, reviewers have already received copies of the album although it isn't finished. I smell collectors' items!!!
http://www.spin.com/articles/how-spirit ... -reviewers
According to Spin, reviewers have already received copies of the album although it isn't finished. I smell collectors' items!!!
http://www.spin.com/articles/how-spirit ... -reviewers
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Being discussed a few threads down http://ideensynthese.de/spiritualized/v ... =1&t=10820
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wasnt the album already slated for "late march" in the first place?
kind of an overdramatic thread title
kind of an overdramatic thread title
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19th, no?
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
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i think it's in the top 3- last being lgm. that album seems to be over over crafted so it is lifless which is more apparent when you hear the songs liveclewsr wrote:yep, count yourself amongst the the very few with that opinion!jadams501 wrote: But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
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I'm surprised that no reviews have popped up, since obviously a number of journalists have had the album for awhile now.
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I agree with you 100%!jadams501 wrote:I wouldn't say Amazing Grace is one of J's best in terms of songwriting (though Richie Lee and Rated X are really great) but in terms of capturing the band's sound (circa that time period) in the studio. Pure Phase and Ladies & Gents were too manicured to capture the band's raw power, Let It Come Down was a little bloated (as much as I love that album too), and Songs in A&E sounded a little too generically indie. In terms of making the most of the material, I'd say Lazer Guided Melodies is his best, followed by Amazing Grace. Which album has his greatest songs in terms of composition is a separate question.clewsr wrote:yep, count yourself amongst the the very few with that opinion!jadams501 wrote: But then again, I'm one of the relative few who thinks Amazing Grace is one of his best albums.
That said, I hope that we have a new champion in about 2 months...
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Can't agree with you there - since when has "generically indie" sounded like that? If anything, A&E just finally makes good on the promise J has mentioned in the run up to the last few albums; that he was going to strip away all the sonic artifice and jettison the 'Spiritualized effects'.jadams501 wrote: Songs in A&E sounded a little too generically indie...
The choral backing vocals, bells, chimes, viola, accordions and broken music box (close mic'd to sound like breathing)...well, it's not exactly Noah & The Fucking Whale is it?
The truth is, Songs in A&E is as richly layered and beautifully crafted as any other Spiritualized record.
Anyway... Sweet Heart, Sweet Light. While I hope it's not delayed too much, it occurs to me that this might be a sort of genius move by Spaceman to beat the pre-release internet "leak" thing, especially if the final version will be essentially a different mix. I also think that for Spiritualized addicts (like me) there may well be a noticable difference. I like his line
"...with the reviews, sometimes it's like they've got a different album anyway"
Reminds me of when Primal Scream released their last album, there was a version doing the rounds pre-release apparently done by Andrew Innes which featured a bunch of repeated 20 second loops of each track. Hilariously, I think some reviews of that album were obviously based on this. At least one person on here was going on about how bad the album was until it was pointed out that they were listening to the looped version too...
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there's another (very small) interview with Jason about the new album in this weeks NME. read it in the shop like i did
A&E, generic indie it is not.
but it's certainly more conventional sounding than a lot of the bands stuff. it pisses on Amazing Grace though.
haha that's hilarious.BzaInSpace wrote:Reminds me of when Primal Scream released their last album, there was a version doing the rounds pre-release apparently done by Andrew Innes which featured a bunch of repeated 20 second loops of each track. Hilariously, I think some reviews of that album were obviously based on this. At least one person on here was going on about how bad the album was until it was pointed out that they were listening to the looped version too...
A&E, generic indie it is not.
but it's certainly more conventional sounding than a lot of the bands stuff. it pisses on Amazing Grace though.
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A&E is certainly not generic indie. it's a weird album since it's so nicely produced but still has jarring elements in the choice of instruments previously mentioned. it works nicely i think and has a strangely warm and organic feel despite it's very 'clinical' title. to me, AG feels much colder and drier, even though it was basically recorded live and has a lot of energy in the songs. obviously it's a deliberate approach to recording, but to be honest i much prefer some of the AG bootlegs/gigs to the album.angelsighs wrote:A&E, generic indie it is not.
but it's certainly more conventional sounding than a lot of the bands stuff. it pisses on Amazing Grace though.
in terms of the new album, based on the interviews, gigs, songs, title etc i think it's gonna be a really 'warm' record (with 'icy' moments). i'll be an optimist and say that a lush, warm production style will probably make sense of tracks like 'hey little girl' and 'freedom'. it'll be really interesting to see what he does with the more out-there stuff though. hopefully it wont be too reigned-in!
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a warm production style would also be what i would like to hear on the new material. i am so used to hearing them with the particular ambience of the live recordings, i hope the record isnt too dry and cold like you say.
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huh? a new album?
can't wait
can't wait
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theres a review of SHSL in the latest issue of Word magazine
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well whats the verdict/word AS?
any 'deets' from the review?? won't be anywhere where word is sold today or tomorrow... & is it the 'old' SHSL they've reviewed? prob is...
any 'deets' from the review?? won't be anywhere where word is sold today or tomorrow... & is it the 'old' SHSL they've reviewed? prob is...
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dunno mate, got the info from this thread on their website:
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/s ... 0#comments
i'm pretty sure its the old version they will be reviewing, consider they are first out of the starting blocks with their review.
also be aware that the review is by Simon Price, chum and biographer of runcibles fave band the Manic Street Preachers..
I'm surprised more reviews haven't been printed yet. Uncut say they are reviewing it next month with the description that its 'reminiscent of the Velvets in its more driving material, and Richard Ashcrofts solo stuff in the more reflective material'
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/s ... 0#comments
i'm pretty sure its the old version they will be reviewing, consider they are first out of the starting blocks with their review.
also be aware that the review is by Simon Price, chum and biographer of runcibles fave band the Manic Street Preachers..
I'm surprised more reviews haven't been printed yet. Uncut say they are reviewing it next month with the description that its 'reminiscent of the Velvets in its more driving material, and Richard Ashcrofts solo stuff in the more reflective material'
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Aw no...angelsighs wrote:'reminiscent of ... Richard Ashcrofts solo stuff in the more reflective material'
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haha thought that might get a comment. might just be a lazy comparison by them (lazy journalism.. surely not??)BzaInSpace wrote:Aw no...angelsighs wrote:'reminiscent of ... Richard Ashcrofts solo stuff in the more reflective material'
look at it this way- we know all the songs already. you know if you like them or not.
its just the production we've got to worry about.
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I'm not really sure I see/hear the VU reference. Is that just the press being super lazy (Did they just watch the interview from December where the interviewer remarked how sweetheart-sweet light sounded liked a VU ref )?
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Fair or not, I will not read or take into account a review by somebody with that close a relationship with the Manic Street Preachers.
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sweet jane on the radiosynthiA wrote:I'm not really sure I see/hear the VU reference. Is that just the press being super lazy (Did they just watch the interview from December where the interviewer remarked how sweetheart-sweet light sounded liked a VU ref )?
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
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yeah, I get that !!!
But mentioning a VU song in your lyrics and being "reminiscent of the Velvets in its more driving material" are two different things, agreed? No, I haven't heard the recordings but the VU's driving material... that would be white light, white heat (which is where, I assume, we get sweet heart, sweet light). So my question is, where is the sound of Lady Godiva's Operation, Sister Ray, and WLWH? The impression I get is that this record is a departure from that fuzzed out chaotic sound in favor of something upfront and clean (paraphrasing Jason's words here).
Conclusion:
This reviewer didn't actually listen to SHSL (or WLWH)
OR
The review actually has the new mix of the record where Jason decided to just master it through a fuzzbox.
But mentioning a VU song in your lyrics and being "reminiscent of the Velvets in its more driving material" are two different things, agreed? No, I haven't heard the recordings but the VU's driving material... that would be white light, white heat (which is where, I assume, we get sweet heart, sweet light). So my question is, where is the sound of Lady Godiva's Operation, Sister Ray, and WLWH? The impression I get is that this record is a departure from that fuzzed out chaotic sound in favor of something upfront and clean (paraphrasing Jason's words here).
Conclusion:
This reviewer didn't actually listen to SHSL (or WLWH)
OR
The review actually has the new mix of the record where Jason decided to just master it through a fuzzbox.
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the VU also did 'driving material' that sounded a bit cleaner- Rock and Roll, Sweet Jane, There She Goes Again..
I'd say the first part of Hey Jane is rather Velvets-esque.
I'd say the first part of Hey Jane is rather Velvets-esque.
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Haha. In saying that I used to like Simon Price's writing - it could often be a tad OTT but that's OK, I always got the impression that he meant it, man. So I'd be interested in what he had to say. Wouldn't have thought Spiritualized was really his thing though... is he still waiting for the second coming of Romo?angelsighs wrote: might just be a lazy comparison by them (lazy journalism.. surely not??)
I remember reading an interview with him regarding the final years at Melody Maker (and why he left) He was essentially being told not to criticize the likes of Oasis and other really shit britpop bands, presumably for commercial reasons - any contrary opinion was being edited or cut out. So fair play I guess.
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i know i was being facetious. maybe there are similarities to albums like vu (lost album) or loaded but it sounds like spz to me, then again we've not heard the masterssynthiA wrote:yeah, I get that !!!
But mentioning a VU song in your lyrics and being "reminiscent of the Velvets in its more driving material" are two different things, agreed? No, I haven't heard the recordings but the VU's driving material... that would be white light, white heat (which is where, I assume, we get sweet heart, sweet light). So my question is, where is the sound of Lady Godiva's Operation, Sister Ray, and WLWH? The impression I get is that this record is a departure from that fuzzed out chaotic sound in favor of something upfront and clean (paraphrasing Jason's words here).
Conclusion:
This reviewer didn't actually listen to SHSL (or WLWH)
OR
The review actually has the new mix of the record where Jason decided to just master it through a fuzzbox.
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
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i think these songs, Hey Jane especially, are the most VU sounding/influenced songs he's done since TPP. it definitely does have a Loaded feel.
agree w/Angelsighs about the first part of Hey Jane. & initially i did get confused w/Sweet Jane. hopefully there's a bit of Rock n Roll Animal Sweet Jane on SHSL.
agree w/Angelsighs about the first part of Hey Jane. & initially i did get confused w/Sweet Jane. hopefully there's a bit of Rock n Roll Animal Sweet Jane on SHSL.
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yeah it does have a Loaded feel, that was their 'pop album' too
like that album, SHSL mixes up driving rock with delicate ballads and a little gospel
like that album, SHSL mixes up driving rock with delicate ballads and a little gospel
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...making it potentially thier most 'complete' album?angelsighs wrote:SHSL mixes up driving rock with delicate ballads and a little gospel
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
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possibly.. arguably..bunnyben wrote:...making it potentially thier most 'complete' album?angelsighs wrote:SHSL mixes up driving rock with delicate ballads and a little gospel
it needs a bit more freejazz in there too maybe
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I hope that the small section of free-jazz, psychedelic noise in the middle of "Hey Jane" is all that there is of that on the new album. I was thinking about this yesterday and I can probably count on one hand how many times I have listened to the studio version of "Cop Shoot Cop" all the way through. It's just too jarring to last for such a lengthy period of time. I feel pretty much the same way about "Electric Phase", despite it's considerably shorter length.
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I agree. To me the whole "free jazz" thing is by far the least interesting element of the Spiritualized sound. Cop Shoot Cop is marred by the indulgent noise in the middle. 30 seconds or a minute would have been effective, but it becomes tiresome.
I have been purposefully avoiding listening to any of the new songs until the album is out, but reading that the free jazz is at a minimum has me more excited for it!
I have been purposefully avoiding listening to any of the new songs until the album is out, but reading that the free jazz is at a minimum has me more excited for it!
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okay I finally found a shop that stocked Word mag, had a flick through
it's a generally positive review (Word reviews are just text, no ratings)
bits that I can remember
-it's Jasons ode to redemption through music
-the words are, depending on your viewpoint, effectively using well worn lyrical tropes, or laziness
-the album is definitely 'of a piece', and the production is warm and like it was 'dipped in honey'
-the only time it gets noisy is in Heading For The Top and the outro of I Am What I Am
oh... and I love the freejazz and think its an essential element of the Spz soup.. Cop Shoot Cop is awesome!
it's a generally positive review (Word reviews are just text, no ratings)
bits that I can remember
-it's Jasons ode to redemption through music
-the words are, depending on your viewpoint, effectively using well worn lyrical tropes, or laziness
-the album is definitely 'of a piece', and the production is warm and like it was 'dipped in honey'
-the only time it gets noisy is in Heading For The Top and the outro of I Am What I Am
oh... and I love the freejazz and think its an essential element of the Spz soup.. Cop Shoot Cop is awesome!
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What?! Those are some of my very favourite moments! I love how they stand out a little compared to the uplifting gospel songs and more straightforward ballads and garage rockers! The middle part of Hey Jane actually had me quite excited when I first heard it.TheWarmth wrote:I hope that the small section of free-jazz, psychedelic noise in the middle of "Hey Jane" is all that there is of that on the new album. I was thinking about this yesterday and I can probably count on one hand how many times I have listened to the studio version of "Cop Shoot Cop" all the way through. It's just too jarring to last for such a lengthy period of time. I feel pretty much the same way about "Electric Phase", despite it's considerably shorter length.
LAGWAFIS must be a bit of a struggle then with The Individual AND No God, Only Religion on it as well?
Actually, I'm not really that surprised - there's plenty to love on these albums, so it only makes sense that people don't all gravitate to one aspect or another. Still, for me the freak-outs are a big part of of what defines Spiritualized, especially when there are horns involved.
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Although I dislike much of the so-called free jazz, I like it when they have a point, and both of those instrumentals from Ladies & Gents serve a purpose. The Individual illustrates the inevitable consequences of Home of The Brave, and No God Only Religion is distinct in and of itself. I also like Power and the Glory as well as the escalating freakout at the end of Shine a Light. But sometimes, as in Cop Shoot Cop, it goes on too long to the detriment of the song and other times it's just kinda unnecessary.warmgun. wrote:What?! Those are some of my very favourite moments! I love how they stand out a little compared to the uplifting gospel songs and more straightforward ballads and garage rockers! The middle part of Hey Jane actually had me quite excited when I first heard it.
LAGWAFIS must be a bit of a struggle then with The Individual AND No God, Only Religion on it as well?
Actually, I'm not really that surprised - there's plenty to love on these albums, so it only makes sense that people don't all gravitate to one aspect or another. Still, for me the freak-outs are a big part of of what defines Spiritualized, especially when there are horns involved.
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Indeed. I'm with Paul Warmth here - those bits don't wow me. I never liked the free form freakouts Spacemen 3 used to do live in the build up to Starship, and these are the least interesting sections of Spiritualized records too. I just find them without real direction. Noise is one thing but free form noise is, as you say, a struggle.warmgun. wrote:LAGWAFIS must be a bit of a struggle then with The Individual AND No God, Only Religion on it as well?
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one night several years ago, I was in a certain state and feeling fine. Never got Cop Shoot Cop until then. The freakout middle section transported my brain to another planet - - I heard subtleties and pathways that were buried in the song before that-- full on disorientation and loss of place in physical space - - definite out of body experience - - then the pushing and pulling of heavy river currents. It was immense. I get out of my mind in those freakouts
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...and then the desert section completely obliteratespurespace wrote:one night several years ago, I was in a certain state and feeling fine. Never got Cop Shoot Cop until then. The freakout middle section transported my brain to another planet - - I heard subtleties and pathways that were buried in the song before that-- full on disorientation and loss of place in physical space - - definite out of body experience - - then the pushing and pulling of heavy river currents. It was immense. I get out of my mind in those freakouts
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
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right. it's all about the desert section. devastating!bunnyben wrote:...and then the desert section completely obliteratespurespace wrote:one night several years ago, I was in a certain state and feeling fine. Never got Cop Shoot Cop until then. The freakout middle section transported my brain to another planet - - I heard subtleties and pathways that were buried in the song before that-- full on disorientation and loss of place in physical space - - definite out of body experience - - then the pushing and pulling of heavy river currents. It was immense. I get out of my mind in those freakouts
to be honest i think that track makes much more sense live, since the noise sections are more visceral. i remember when they opened their sets with it (amazing grace tour?) and it was just perfect. also ending with it seemed to work just as well...
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For the record, I really like "No God, Only Religion". It's a super heavy psych-rock song with a nice, simple chord progression. It's quite different from the free-jazz tracks like "The Power & The Glory".
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any bootlegs where i can hear this?runcible wrote: I never liked the free form freakouts Spacemen 3 used to do live in the build up to Starship, and these are the least interesting sections of Spiritualized records too.
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You can hear it on the live EP 'Threebie 3' that was recorded at the same gig as Performance.Kurious Oranj wrote:any bootlegs where i can hear this?runcible wrote: I never liked the free form freakouts Spacemen 3 used to do live in the build up to Starship, and these are the least interesting sections of Spiritualized records too.
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I have to say I used to struggle with the freeout at the end of Cop Shoot Cop until I read an interview with Jason about the freeout in CSC being about a trip across America in a tour bus seeing all these amazing things he'd never seen before. Reading into that further It's almost as if his eyes couldn't take it all in, hence the overwelming noise. Again its probably me putting meanings to things which aren't 100% true, (but listening to music is a very personal experience) but when I hear it now it has that joy and wild eyed abandonment of someone experiencing something they've never felt or seen before. That's obviously at odds with the songs sombre mood in the first section and that there's some dark vocal howls as it descends into that section of noise but hey, Its all personal innit.jadams501 wrote:I agree. To me the whole "free jazz" thing is by far the least interesting element of the Spiritualized sound. Cop Shoot Cop is marred by the indulgent noise in the middle. 30 seconds or a minute would have been effective, but it becomes tiresome.
I have been purposefully avoiding listening to any of the new songs until the album is out, but reading that the free jazz is at a minimum has me more excited for it!
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do you have a link to the interview? sounds interesting
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
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Always interesting that some of the biggest fans have such varying opinions on these things. When properly placed, I really like the noise/free jazz bits. Cop Shoot Cop remains in my favorite 3 SPZ tracks. It pulls you in, shoots you away, and lands you gently down in the desert.
In general, I thought the noise bits at the LAG shows were the best executed in the band's history. Even electricity floored me. It was noisy, but it sounded like each person, or group of people, took a certain frequency range and stuck to it... and the venue could handle it.
I still think comparing SHSL to WLWH is lazy and while I can see the comparison to Loaded, Loaded was hardly driving.
In general, I thought the noise bits at the LAG shows were the best executed in the band's history. Even electricity floored me. It was noisy, but it sounded like each person, or group of people, took a certain frequency range and stuck to it... and the venue could handle it.
I still think comparing SHSL to WLWH is lazy and while I can see the comparison to Loaded, Loaded was hardly driving.