Kanye / Beck

[TheWarmth]

Kanye West is guilty of countless acts of jackassery, but this one takes the cake. I can't fucking stand the guy, but this takes it to a whole new level.

"I just know that the Grammys, if they want real artists, to keep coming back, they need to stop playing with us. We ain't gonna play with them no more," he said, upset that Beck beat Beyonce in the category. "And Beck needs to respect artistry and he should've given his award to Beyonce."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/09/entertain ... index.html

[Laz69]

Man is a dick... just like most of the people he surrounds himself with. Beck should have bounced the award right off the back of his head...

[heisenberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obGM1VYs2g8

This streetsign deserves a Grammy for outstanding contribution to music.

[BzaInSpace]

At least he's not a Scientologist like fucking Beck.
I love the fact he pisses everyone - or at least, those on the Internet - off.

[spzretent]

As far as I know being a scientologist is a Hollyweird sign of weakness. They have this gigantic compound right off Sunset in LA. No scientologist has ever tried to convert me. Plus Beck's record is great.
Kanye? Delusional fucking asshole with a big mouth.

[runaway]

"We ain't gonna play with them no more" is a double negative.

[semisynthetic]

I saw that act; extremely rude and lacking in any dignity - NOT exactly something surprising at "The Grammy's" anyway; but he did "not piss me off", it is his prerogative to behave moronically, unless he has absolutely no control over how he acts in public - that is a completely different matter.

[James T]

Kanye West is a genius! This is exactly what he wants to happen, of course. He knows his fans will talk about him either way, but if he acts like an ass he will get all the haters talking about him too. Everyone talks about Kanye West. He is getting it so right for himself. We're talking about him on Spiritualized forum outside of an 'what have you listened to' thread, this guy is everywhere.

[heisenberg]

He is everywhere. But so is ebola and terrorism.

[Hedspace]

confirmation his wife Kim has the biggest arse in show business

[runcible]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/cele ... 5021095240

[KingHarry]

I'm unsure who he is.

[TheWarmth]

Another interesting aspect of this debate is the fact that a lot of people have referred to Beck as past his prime. As I recall, when Morning Phase came out it was praised by critics and fans across the board as one of his best albums. Not sure what has changed now that he's won an award.

[The Dr]

He is everywhere. But so is ebola and terrorism.

...and stupid comments...

[The Dr]

As far as I know being a scientologist is a Hollyweird sign of weakness. They have this gigantic compound right off Sunset in LA. No scientologist has ever tried to convert me. .

leonard cohen and william burroughs studied scientology. i went to one of their churches once to watch a film. i don't think they are as bad as made out once you cut through the celebrity aspect. same with madonna and kabbalah

[spzretent]

Kanye West is a genius! This is exactly what he wants to happen, of course. He knows his fans will talk about him either way, but if he acts like an ass he will get all the haters talking about him too.

This is the old any publicity is good publicity adage.
I dont think it applies here.This wont make more people listen to Kanye's music. In fact I think it will have the opposite effect. It reinforces the image people have of him who think he doesn't have to live by the same rules as everyone else. To disrespect another artist at the same time is downright shitty no matter how you slice it.
I suppose we should just get used to it and ignore it from now on.

quote]
leonard cohen and william burroughs studied scientology. i went to one of their churches once to watch a film. i don't think they are as bad as made out once you cut through the celebrity aspect. same with madonna and kabbalah

Problem is it starts with Hollywood. That is the perception. No other way they could build that massive campus off Sunset in LA without the entertainment industry fundraising.
There was a Scientology office near here for years. I never knew anyone into it here. I do in LA. They dont try and convert you in passing conversation. I would imagine at some point they would want to introduce you to it. Like any other cult or religion. The scary thing is what they do to people who try to leave the flock.

[The Dr]

on a more serious note

i've not heard a single of these, and only the hank williams record interests me



The 57th annual Grammy Awards were held last night (February at The Staples Centre in Los Angeles, hosted by LL Cool J. Here is the full list of winners:

Record of the Year
Sam Smith – 'Stay With Me (Darkchild Version)'

Song of the Year
Sam Smith - 'Stay With Me (Darkchild Version)'

Album of the Year
Beck - 'Morning Phase'

Best New Artist
Sam Smith

Best Pop Duo/Group Performance
A Great Big World With Christina Aguilera - 'Say Something'

Best Traditional Pop Vocal Album
Tony Bennett & Lady Gaga - 'Cheek To Cheek'

Best Pop Solo Performance
Pharrell Williams - 'Happy'

Best Pop Vocal Album
Sam Smith - 'In The Lonely Hour'

Best Rock Performance
Jack White - 'Lazaretto'

Best Rock Album
Beck - 'Morning Phase'

Best Rock Song
Paramore - 'Ain't It Fun'

Best Alternative Rock Album
St Vincent - 'St Vincent'

Best Metal Performance
Tenacious D - 'The Last In Line'

Best Rap Performance
Kendrick Lamar - 'I'

Best Rap/Sung Collaboration
Eminem Featuring Rihanna - 'The Monster'

Best Rap Song
Kendrick Lamar - 'I'

Best Rap Album
Eminem - 'The Marshall Mathers LP 2'

Best R&B Performance
Beyoncé Featuring Jay Z – 'Drunk In Love'

Best Traditional R&B Performance
Robert Glasper Experiment featuring Lalah Hathaway and Malcolm-Jamal Warner – 'Jesus Children'

Best R&B Song
Beyoncé Featuring Jay Z - 'Drunk In Love'

Best Urban Contemporary Album
Pharrell Williams - 'Girl'

Best R&B Album
Toni Braxton & Babyface - 'Love, Marriage & Divorce'

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Best Contemporary Instrumental Album
Chris Thile & Edgar Meyer - 'Bass & Mandolin'

Best Dance/Electronic Album
Aphex Twin - 'Syro'

Best Dance Recording
Clean Bandit Featuring Jess Glynne - 'Rather Be'
Best Compilation Soundtrack for Visual Media
Frozen

Best Song Written for Visual Media
'Let It Go' from Frozen

Best Country Album
Miranda Lambert - 'Platinum'

Best Country Solo Performance
Carrie Underwood - 'Something In The Water'

Best Country Duo/Group Performance
The Band Perry - 'Gentle On My Mind'

Best Country Song
Glen Campbell & Julian Raymond – 'I'm Not Gonna Miss You'

Best Bluegrass Album
The Earls Of Leicester - 'The Earls Of Leicester'

Best American Roots Performance
Rosanne Cash - 'A Feather's Not A Bird'

Best American Roots Song
Rosanne Cash - 'A Feather's Not A Bird'

Best Americana Album
Rosanne Cash - 'The River & The Thread'

Best Folk Album
Old Crow Medicine Show - 'Remedy'

Best Music Video
Pharrell Williams - 'Happy'

Best Music Film
20 Feet From Stardom

Producer of the Year, Non-Classical
Max Martin
'Bang Bang' (Jessie J, Ariana Grande & Nicki Minaj)
'Break Free' (Ariana Grande Featuring Zedd)
'Dark Horse' (Katy Perry Featuring Juicy J)
'Problem' (Ariana Grande Featuring Iggy Azalea)
'Shake It Off' (Taylor Swift)
'Unconditionally' (Katy Perry)

Best Instrumental Composition
John Williams - 'The Book Thief'

Best Arrangement, Instrumental or A Cappella
Pentatonix - 'Daft Punk'

Best Arrangement, Instrumental and Vocals
Billy Childs - 'New York Tendaberry'

Best Recording Package
Jeff Ament, Don Pendleton, Joe Spix & Jerome Turner, art directors
Pearl Jam - 'Lightning Bolt'

Best Boxed or Special Limited Edition Package
Susan Archie, Dean Blackwood & Jack White, art directors
'The Rise & Fall Of Paramount Records, Volume One (1917-27)'

Best Album Notes
Ashley Kahn
John Coltrane 'Offering: Live At Temple University'

Best Historical Album
Hank Williams - 'The Garden Spot Programs, 1950'

Best Engineered Album, Non-Classical
Beck - 'Morning Phase'

Best Remixed Recording, Non-Classical
Tijs Michiel Verwest, remixer
John Legend – 'All Of Me (Tiesto's Birthday Treatment Remix)'

Best Surround Sound Album
Beyoncé - 'Beyoncé'

Best Regional Roots Music Album
Jo-El Sonnier - 'The Legacy'

Best Reggae Album
Ziggy Marley - 'Fly Rasta'

Best World Music Album
Angelique Kidjo - 'Eve'

Best Children's Album
Neela Vaswani - 'I Am Malala: How One Girl Stood Up For Education And Changed The World'

Best Musical Theatre Album
Beautiful: The Carole King Musical
Jessie Mueller, principal soloist; Jason Howland, Steve Sidwell & Billy Jay Stein, producers (Carole King, composer & lyricist) (Original Broadway Cast)

Best Blues Album
Johnny Winter - 'Step Back'

Best Spoken Word Album
Joan Rivers - 'Diary Of A Mad Diva'

Best Comedy Album
"Weird Al" Yankovic - 'Mandatory Fun'

Best New Age Album
Ricky Kej & Wouter Kellerman - 'Winds Of Samsara'

Best Improved Jazz Solo
Chick Corea - 'Fingerprints'

Best Jazz Vocal Album
Dianne Reeves - 'Beautiful Life'

Best Jazz Instrumental Album
Chick Corea Trio - 'Trilogy'

Best Large Jazz Ensemble Album
Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band - 'Life In The Bubble'

Best Latin Jazz Album
Arturo O'Farrill & The Afro Latin Jazz Orchestra - 'The Offense Of The Drum'

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[The Dr]

Kanye West is a genius! This is exactly what he wants to happen, of course. He knows his fans will talk about him either way, but if he acts like an ass he will get all the haters talking about him too.

what is a 'hater'? i hear the phrase but have never known what it means

[runcible]

As far as I know being a scientologist is a Hollyweird sign of weakness. They have this gigantic compound right off Sunset in LA. No scientologist has ever tried to convert me. .

leonard cohen and william burroughs studied scientology. i went to one of their churches once to watch a film. i don't think they are as bad as made out once you cut through the celebrity aspect. same with madonna and kabbalah

I know someone who got caught up in Scientology. Took them years to get out and the only time his family heard from him was when he asked them for money for 'the church', otherwise he rejected them entirely. Almost destroyed his family set up but he managed to get out, and 'the church' pursued him for some time after. No celebrities involved here, just everyday people who loved their son.

So I do not concur. At all. Bad people as far as I am concerned.

[James T]

Kanye West is a genius! This is exactly what he wants to happen, of course. He knows his fans will talk about him either way, but if he acts like an ass he will get all the haters talking about him too.

what is a 'hater'? i hear the phrase but have never known what it means

Kind of self-explanatory I think.

In regards to the all publicity is good publicity, it depends what the person wants. He just wants publicity, so it applies just fine for him.

[BzaInSpace]

confirmation his wife Kim has the biggest arse in show business

Now you're talking. I saw those 'Break The Internet' photos from last year. Was not disappointed...

It wasn't until Lou Reed hyped up Kanye West's Yeezus not long before he died that I actually checked out his music, as previously (I assume) his stuff lurked in the lower dimensions of poppy hip-hop stuff. But y'know what? Lou was right. It's a fucking great album.

As the more astute have realized, Kayne West has won this week already... and even on here! Biggest response to a thread I've seen in ages

You know what, I think we need people like him, not the masses of hypnotized, ultra-bland and un-charismatic nobodies being touted on the whole as pop stars or whatever.

Besides, I'll always have a bit of respect for him for his live-on-TV statement regarding the Bush administration post Katrina. Hell, they probably only let him live after that as people think he's just fucking around... which essentially he is. Hijacking the goddamn Grammy's? It's like a pantomime. Who cares?

[BzaInSpace]

On the other hand - Beck. It is entirely irrelevant to me what awards he wins, I just personally don't 'get' him. I confess to only briefly listened to the latest one, but despite the claims of laying his heart on the line and stuff, it just sounds... like he doesn't really mean it, man!, which has been a constant IMO through his illustrious career.

Back in school, everybody was going mad for Odelay. Critically acclaimed, massive seller... it's one of these albums I still don't comprehend what is going on? There was loads of amazing, hip-hop styled albums released in 1996... but Odelay wasn't one of them. At all.

That first album for Geffen - Mellow Gold - was just stupid, stoner esque nonsense with one genuine hit single. But that for me works better than this serious musician tag. Did he not pretend to be Prince around the millennium?

On a less personal note - Scientology. Damaging and bizarrely influential. Whether Burroughs studied it or not I'm certain he would have the sharp intelligence to reject the entire monetary-obsessed enterprise outright. Even the sci-fi element of their "belief system" is hackneyed, illogical and, well... fucking insane!

As Runcible suggests, the lengths they go to are outrageous, especially to those leaving the cult or attempting to whistle-blow.

There is a new HBO documentary on the craziness, where they reportedly had to hire 160 lawyers just in order get a release approved....

[angelsighs]

I'm not a big fan of Beck either (I agree that everything he has done seems to be so contrived and smothered in irony) but for this guy to hijack his award, to make some point or other?? still not sure what... height of rudeness and ego.


Scientology is supremely damaging, sinister and scary. nice long read here.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/ ... apostate-3

[The Dr]

You know what, I think we need people like him, not the masses of hypnotized, ultra-bland and un-charismatic nobodies being touted on the whole as pop stars or whatever.

http://lisasimpsonbookclub.tumblr.com/image/3104233465

[spzretent]

As the more astute have realized, Kayne West has won this week already.

What exactly has he won? People talking about what an asshole he is?
Conrgats Kanye.

[runaway]

I'm with Beezy on this one. Kanye may act like an ass, but at least he's somewhat relevant. Beck? I gave up on him after the turd that was Guero.

[semisynthetic]

As far as I know being a scientologist is a Hollyweird sign of weakness. They have this gigantic compound right off Sunset in LA. No scientologist has ever tried to convert me. .

leonard cohen and william burroughs studied scientology. i went to one of their churches once to watch a film. i don't think they are as bad as made out once you cut through the celebrity aspect. same with madonna and kabbalah

I know someone who got caught up in Scientology. Took them years to get out and the only time his family heard from him was when he asked them for money for 'the church', otherwise he rejected them entirely. Almost destroyed his family set up but he managed to get out, and 'the church' pursued him for some time after. No celebrities involved here, just everyday people who loved their son.

So I do not concur. At all. Bad people as far as I am concerned.

I agree. From the scam of "E - Meter" readings to an intrusiveness that is beyond the pale; it is a "Jim Jones" sort of Cult EXCEPT there will be no Cyanide in the Koolaid; THAT would cause a decisive decline in revenues, and that is what this crowd is ultimately about. I too have known people who had their family destroyed by those in the "church" who gathered data and tried to blackmail and extort even more money; that is the norm; the thing is, once these people were fully committed, they were essentially owned by that "church"; one committed suicide, and a once, complete family was ripped apart in retribution for calling them out and giving the details that happened over years. VERY BAD indeed, and I have no interest in knowing any of them.
The programmed methods occur over years; not the sort of thing you could possibly see in an benign afternoon of film watching.

[spzretent]

I'm with Beezy on this one. Kanye may act like an ass, but at least he's somewhat relevant. Beck? I gave up on him after the turd that was Guero.

So one bad record cancels out the rest of his catalog? Tough crowd.
I think Sea Change and the latest one are fantastic.

[debased]

There is a new HBO documentary on the craziness, where they reportedly had to hire 160 lawyers just in order get a release approved....

HBO has scheduled Going Clear to air on March 16th. Producer Alex Gibney has said the "160 lawyers" story is an exaggeration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWY_zhDXXDU. Gibney also did a documentary on the Catholic Church that is worth seeing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l75vu_yptUo.

[runaway]

I'm with Beezy on this one. Kanye may act like an ass, but at least he's somewhat relevant. Beck? I gave up on him after the turd that was Guero.

So one bad record cancels out the rest of his catalog? Tough crowd.
I think Sea Change and the latest one are fantastic.

I do like Sea Change a lot, but at the time it seemed like an anomaly. This new one sounds like it's trying hard to be Sea Change 2.

[runcible]

You don't like Mellow Gold Bza? What's the matter with you?! That's a classic and I thought it would be right up your street. Songs like Beercan are about as close to hip hop as I get. I'll also stick up for Odelay although I saw Beck on that tour and didn't like his live stuff much.

Can't share your opinion on Kanye West. Just another guy who's so up himself he can't see straight. And musically totally uninteresting.

[James T]

I don't really like Beck on record much, but I've seen him 3 times live and always fantastic so I do have time for him. Kanye West has some really great recorded output, never seen him live though.

[BzaInSpace]

You don't like Mellow Gold Bza? What's the matter with you?!

Probably just not feeling the love for a weak album. Even twenty plus (!) years ago I was unconvinced of it's stature: 'Loser' was pretty good, the rest of it had some kind of infantile appeal despite being a collection of poor songs with awful production with some of the most meaningless lyrics ever.

It's not aged well at all: the best parts of that album were co-written with Karl Stephenson who seems at least to have added some sampling prowess to Beck's 'thing'. The rest is just forgettable garbage.

On that note - the drum sample on 'Loser' is taken from an infinitely better track: the awesome cover of 'I Walk On Gilded Splinters' by the great Johnny Jenkins.

That's a classic and I thought it would be right up your street. I'll also stick up for Odelay although I saw Beck on that tour and didn't like his live stuff much.

Definitely not a classic in anyway I'm afraid, and in comparison to other records released in 1994 it's not even worth a footnote. Odelay - I struggle to think of anything good about that appalling mess. The light blue CD case trim was neat at the time I suppose.

Songs like Beercan are about as close to hip hop as I get...

That alone deserves Robert Vaughn's look of disgust:



However in saying all that, Beck did co-write (with a hefty sample from Spirit's 'Pure Garbage') the awesome 'Feel Good Time', as heard in the cinematic masterpiece Charlie's Angels - Full Throttle. Pink did the vocals, and it's great. Unsurprisingly for me, Beck's original recording, featuring his annoyingly reedy, nasal, can't-be-fucked vocals, is not.

[BzaInSpace]

PS Runcie - I'm also curious to exactly what parts of Kanye West's music you find "uninteresting"?

[spzretent]

I would say those of us not inclined to listen to anything in the world of hip hop may be missing something with Kanye. I can live with that. As always I cant separate the asshole from the art in most cases. This is one such occasion.
I own 3 records by Beck. Odelay, Sea Change and Morning Phase. Of the three I would say Sea Change is my favorite. I love that record. It is a beautifully recorded LP. I dont hang on lyrics so it is the music that hooked me.
Just my opinion.

[mc]

Meh. Couldn't give two hoots about Kanye, Beck or Beyonce. Very much a dickish thing to do on KW's part, but he knew exactly what he was doing. Clever bugger.

[runcible]

PS Runcie - I'm also curious to exactly what parts of Kanye West's music you find "uninteresting"?

Show me some that is interesting - seriously, I'll take a listen. It's just not the sort of music I like. I said the same thing about Beyonce and people said 'but that Crazy In Love is just fantastic - you can't argue with that song'. In fact I think YOU might have said that to me! Yet it would easily be up there with my most hated songs ever.

[clewsr]

Never quite managed to get into Beck myself, Loser was catchy and all, and I did buy Sea Change, but I've got acres of far superior melancholia than that, even the stuff filed under 'S' alone.

I have heard of the name Kayne West, but nothing more, which is the way I like it.

So pointless post really.

[James T]

Now the real problem emerges...

You file by album title?

[TheWarmth]

When Watch The Thrones came out, I decided I was going to check out what, at the time, was the latest single, "Otis." I figured there had to be something to these guys (Kanye & Jay-Z) that I was missing out on or just hadn't clicked with me. Surely, there was something there. Nope. That track is bullshit. A massive turd. A straight up sample of the majority of the chorus of "Try A Little Tenderness," including the original vocal track, with Kanye and Jay-Z babbling over it. At least they could have attempted to remove Redding's vocal out of respect. Fuck that shit. Not interested. I probably picked the wrong track, but hey, it was the one they chose to release as a single, which means they obviously thought highly of it.

Everything else I've heard by Jay-Z has been garbage. I've only heard other Kanye material in passing, so I suppose I should give it more attention, but I have a shit ton of other music to listen to and the fact that he's such an asshole is enough to keep me away.

As for the Grammys, the fact that Price was relegated to simply presenting an award, rather than performing, is insane, especially on a night when Kanye appeared on stage twice (well, three if you count the Beck debacle).

[ro]

Can't resist posting this here.
It came through Google alerts for Spiritualized a few weeks ago.
It's a Spiritualized thread on Kanye's forum.

http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.p ... =2463017.0

[runcible]

Hilarious ro - well spotted!

[mc]

That thread makes me very happy

[The Dr]

The world was stunned as Kanye West jokingly tried to interrupt Beck during his acceptance speech at the Grammys but nobody was more disappointment than Taylor Swift — HollywoodLife.com has the EXCLUSIVE details!

Taylor Swift, 25, was completely shocked when Kanye West, 37, almost interrupted Beck’s speech, much like he did to her at the VMA’a in 2009. Find out what an HL inside source told us about Taylor’s thoughts at that very moment!



“Taylor is disappointed that Kanye would go down this road again. He was so sweet and charming when they spoke at The Grammys. He complimented her on her success and praised he latest album,” our source revealed.
John Legend Defends Kanye West’s Grammy Stunt — ‘It Didn’t Hurt Anybody’

“But everything since then has really been a let down. Her first thought was, ‘Oh no, not agin!’ It’s like he can’t help himself from sticking his foot in his mouth,” they explained about the moment Kanye walked on stage during the Feb. 8 show.
Kanye West Blasted By Singer Shirley Manson: You’re A ‘Spoiled ‘ ‘Twat’

“Taylor feels Beck’s achievements and his experience are being tainted because of Kanye and his massive ego. She thinks Kanye really is a nice guy deep down and doesn’t do these things maliciously but he needs to stop putting his ego above everyone else. It’s just selfish!”





Right after they announced that Beck won for Album of The Year, Kanye ran up the stairs and went straight to the mic before smiling and shaking his hand, showing that he was just joking. The audience immediately erupted in laughter.

Beck, who was a good sport about the whole situation, then begged Kanye to come back and help him give his acceptance speech because even he seemed surprised that he won.

Even though he was just joking at the time, Kanye went on a full rant at the E! after party about Beck winning, He said: “If they want real artists to keep coming back, they need to stop playing with us. We ain’t going to play with them no more. “Flawless,” Beyonce’s video and Beck needs to respect artistry and he should have given his award to Beyonce”

HollywoodLifers, are you shocked that Kanye pulled a stunt like this at the Grammys? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below!

[The Dr]

more importantly is michael cera beck's son?

http://media.salon.com/2013/11/michael_cera.jpg


http://fakewalls.com/storage/beck.jpg?_ ... 3966961867

[BzaInSpace]

Can't resist posting this here.
It came through Google alerts for Spiritualized a few weeks ago.
It's a Spiritualized thread on Kanye's forum.

http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.p ... =2463017.0

Thanks Ro. That's awesome.

Pretty ironic that Kanye's fans seem pretty eclectic in their music tastes at least - a lot of love for Spiritualized over there.

Do any of them post here? Do they even know this place exists?

I for one would welcome our new Kanye-affiliated digital overlords.

I say Jason should pull a Kanye-esque stunt at next years Grammy's - the internet would probably roll over and die.

[heisenberg]

Perhaps the next Kanye single will have a half-assed sample of a Spiritualized tune (akin to his treatment of Daft Punk/Aphex), with some self-aggrandising rap/singing over it? All topped off with a vacuous Kardashian-starring video to boot.

[TheWarmth]

Richard D. James on Kanye re: the sample of Aphex Twin’s “Avril 14th” on the My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy track “Blame Game.”

He tried to fucking rip me off and claim that he'd written it, and they tried to get away with not paying. I was really helpful, and when they first sent it to me, I was like, “Oh, I can re-do that for you, if you like,’ because they'd sampled it really badly and time-stretched it and there was loads of artifacts. I was like, ‘I'll just replay it for you at that speed if you want.” And they totally didn't even say “hello” or “thanks,” they just replied with, “It's not yours, it's ours, and we're not even asking you any more.”

[BzaInSpace]

4 pages now.

GO TEAM KANYE!

[BzaInSpace]

Let's not pretend that Richard's views are somewhat inflexible with the truth. I remember that he claimed that 'Windowlicker' was a throwaway track which he found by accident: clearly it had been worked on to a fairly large degree. That he claimed he owned a bank vault and would have parties inside locked for 24 hours. Oh, and that any time at all he would have several ghost-written pop tracks in the top 40....

This is a man who believes in the existence of "The Illuminati" for fucks sake.

Any sampling/illegal use of samples would be handled by the courts and such these days. The golden age of hip-hop and the sampladelic credo is a long time ago now.

Also - there's nothing on SYRO as good as 'Black Skinhead' IMO.

[toomilk]

That's so cool!

[TheWarmth]

Kanye has been sued a number of times over unauthorized samples. I wouldn't assume that RDJ is bullshitting.

When I have a chance I will listen to "Black Skinhead". Bza, any thoughts on the track I mentioned previous, "Otis"?

[BzaInSpace]

Ha - I've never heard it. And to be honest following your description I think I'll pass...

I won't argue with your opinion on Jay-Z either. If there was an indie/alternative/rock equivalent to Jay-Z it would be something like Coldplay. Million selling, weak-as-shit commercial bilge with a very slight "artistic credibility".

Not for me...

[BzaInSpace]

There is a new HBO documentary on the craziness, where they reportedly had to hire 160 lawyers just in order get a release approved....

Producer Alex Gibney has said the "160 lawyers" story is an exaggeration...

Sure, I have no doubt. Even if the nought was lost it would still be completely crazy though. Fuck those people. The big draw among a lot of the Holy-Wuud elite is that they can apparently "cure individuals of homosexuality". And thus these celebrities are held to account under blackmail. Unbelievable... but most likely true.

confirmation his wife Kim has the biggest arse in show business

I finally just got that....

[olan]

[spzretent]

I guess you guys are right. Fast forward to the 2:56 mark. He is everywhere.