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Postby burningwheel » Sat May 07, 2016 1:52 am

ASIH - 4CD box !
ANS - 3CD box !

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby burningwheel » Sat May 07, 2016 2:51 am

Not really. Very little info from McCabe's personal fb page. B-sides and apparently some unreleased material including a different version of South Pacific, which they originally hated, but he says it's great.

No idea if it's been remastered, though isn't the reissue of ANS 2lp supposedly remastered?

No release date

Also unknown gem 'always and maybe' will probably make the UH reissue. No word on that yet
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby angelsighs » Sat May 07, 2016 8:34 am

this is.. stupendous news!! thanks for the heads up.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby James T » Sat May 07, 2016 12:34 pm

He did say no vinyl, but vinyl is up for pre-order on Amazon.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby burningwheel » Sat May 07, 2016 6:21 pm

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby burningwheel » Sat May 07, 2016 6:22 pm

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby burningwheel » Sat May 07, 2016 8:55 pm

Apparently the guy remastering them is good. Looking for more details...
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby MODLAB » Sun May 08, 2016 11:52 am

Nick just signed off on both of them and is raving about it.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby heisenberg » Sun May 08, 2016 2:58 pm

I wonder when these will be released. If Nick's excited then so am I!

I can't believe ASIH is getting 4 CDs! If I remember correctly, the story was that the album was written and recorded in a matter of weeks, mostly constructed from jams. Considering this, I'm definitely intrigued to see what's on the extra CDs.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Sun May 08, 2016 6:39 pm

burningwheel wrote:ASIH - 4CD box !
ANS - 3CD box !

:)


Fuck. Hope its stuff I don't already have. Salivating .
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby SpaceLine » Tue May 10, 2016 2:09 am

I love Nick, but he was also excited about Forth and it was dreadful. They need money, which is sad.

Not as sad as an Ashcroft solo record, but still sucks.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby angelsighs » Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:53 pm

provisional release date seems to be September 9th.

also it seems that one of the discs for each will be a DVD

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storm-Heaven-Verve/dp/B01FWXT2Y4?ie=UTF8&tag=shtv.uk-21

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Northern-Soul- ... g=imwan-21
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:56 pm

angelsighs wrote:provisional release date seems to be September 9th.

also it seems that one of the discs for each will be a DVD

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storm-Heaven-Verve/dp/B01FWXT2Y4?ie=UTF8&tag=shtv.uk-21

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Northern-Soul- ... g=imwan-21


DVD is only marked on the ASIH box. i reckon it could be the full Glasters '93 performance, or this maybe :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6pWjQB3Zas ?
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby moop » Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:07 pm

or this??
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Re: So these Verve reissues

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby burningwheel » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:40 pm

Whoa!
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby angelsighs » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:10 pm

Whoa indeed. I am sure true geeks can moan about what might be missing (no long form jams or anything) but really looking forward to these.

For the vinyl master race people there are gatefold records of both too.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:14 am

Intrigued to hear what the Potter remastering does to ANS. That has a uniquely visceral sound. Already got the radio sessions but be nice to hear those properly mastered. And the unreleased studio stuff looks tasty. Thumbs up!
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby angelsighs » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:23 pm

if you find these on amazon it's got some piccies of what's inside- some really cool postcards, posters and even the slipcases for each CD look great.

there's blatantly going to be an equivalent for Urban Hymns.. well up for that (let's not start the "is UH shite" debate again please!).

and then the final piece of the puzzle would be a live album... what would be better? a complete live show? or a live anthology from across their career? (this is pure speculation from me btw)
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spaceman85 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:56 am

im already there...

now to find the "drugs dont work" zippo...
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby heisenberg » Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:10 pm

angelsighs wrote: (let's not start the "is UH shite" debate again please!).


We could have a "Is UH Shite?-20th anniversary" debate. A fully remastered thread, with several expansive and comprehensive pages detailing just how much people love or hate this divisive album.

Simon Jones and Nick McCabe are planning to answer some fan questions regarding ASIH and ANS over on twitter, should anyone be interested.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby The Dr » Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:42 pm

heisenberg wrote:(let's not start the "is UH shite" debate again please!).


We could have a "Is UH Shite?-20th anniversary" debate. A fully remastered thread, with several expansive and comprehensive pages detailing just how much people love or hate this divisive album.

Simon Jones and Nick McCabe are planning to answer some fan questions regarding ASIH and ANS over on twitter, should anyone be interested.



it's not 'shite', adele is 'shite'
“You're not Dostoevsky,' said the citizeness

'Well, who knows, who knows,' he replied.

'Dostoevsky's dead,' said the citizeness, but somehow not very confidently.

'I protest!' Behemoth exclaimed hotly. 'Dostoevsky is immortal!”
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby olan » Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:55 pm

The Dr wrote:It is total 'shite', but not as totally shite as adele which is utter shite


Tried to improve on that for you to present a balanced view on things :lol:
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spzretent » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:17 am

The Dr wrote:
it's not 'shite', adele is 'shite'

I dont think Adele is shite at all. She certainly has a personality sorely needed in pop culture. She sells a shitload of records but I never switch the station when one of her songs comes on. That is a win for her in my book.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby TheWarmth » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:56 pm

This is getting weird, but I will say that I'd take pretty much any Urban Hymns track over an Adele song.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby mc » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:42 pm

I for one apologise for earlier intimating that music could be 'shite' in any way shape or form ;)

Adele? Not 'shite', but I'm not interested either. Virtually all music with vocals/"singing ability" as the focal point = unhappy mc. Opera? Don't get me started.

Urban Hymns? If I skim down the tracklist and instantly judge each song as "good" or "shite" it's 8-5 on the decent side of things. Not as good as the first two albums? Well obviously. But definitely not shite :)
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spzretent » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:01 pm

mc wrote:
Adele? Not 'shite', but I'm not interested either.


That is all I was saying. I dont own anything by Adele. I do think she is a breath of fresh air when it comes to personality. Especially in a sea of Youtube phenoms.
I would take that Hello song over The Drugs Dont Work anyday.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spaceman85 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:38 pm

Urban Hymns has its place.

Leave it at that...
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby TheWarmth » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:28 pm

"The Drugs Don't Work" is a brilliant song, IMO, but the schmaltzy string arrangement took it down a few rungs, for sure. I still like it, but the demo version is so much cooler.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby angelsighs » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:28 pm

This topic is boring, how about we talk about something new, like "when did The Flaming Lips go shite?" :wink:
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby The Dr » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:18 pm

angelsighs wrote:This topic is boring, how about we talk about something new, like "when did The Flaming Lips go shite?" :wink:


when they tried to make their own urban hymns :wink: :P
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'Dostoevsky's dead,' said the citizeness, but somehow not very confidently.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby TheWarmth » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:29 pm

http://www.nme.com/news/the-verve/95706

Unreleased track: "Shoeshine Girl". I haven't listened yet. Still on fence as to whether or not I need to buy these reissues.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby angelsighs » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:47 pm

gonna resist listening to it. I want it all to be fresh,
It would be like having a sneaky peak at my christmas present before the big day.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:49 am

TheWarmth wrote:http://www.nme.com/news/the-verve/95706

Unreleased track: "Shoeshine Girl". I haven't listened yet. Still on fence as to whether or not I need to buy these reissues.


the Northern Soul one is worth it for the 1995 Mark Radcliffe session alone. my copy is on a very wonky cassette recorded on the eve. looking fwd to a properly mastered version. the Lifes an Ocean and Come On are awesome.

its probably not included unfortunately, but the interview with Ashcroft is very funny.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby burningwheel » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:53 pm

Mastering and source details on the forthcoming Verve vinyl reissues
Universal Music has confirmed with SDE the details around the mastering of the forthcoming vinyl reissues of The Verve‘s A Storm in Heaven and A Northern Soul.

The sources for the albums were digital files prepared from the original half-inch tapes. The record label are keen to stress that much care and attention has been taken during this whole process, and, for example, there has been no de-noising with only clicks and drop-outs, repaired where necessary.

The remastering for the project was conducted by Chris Potter (at the band’s request), Tony Cousins at Metropolis and Sabian at Fullsound. The vinyl lacquers were cut by Matt Colton at Alchemy and the records were pressed by Optimal Media.

The vinyl editions will be issued on 9 September 2016 along with the super deluxe edition box sets, which come with a large amount of bonus material.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby The Dr » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:10 am

spunder wrote:[

its probably not included unfortunately, but the interview with Ashcroft is very funny.



“You're not Dostoevsky,' said the citizeness

'Well, who knows, who knows,' he replied.

'Dostoevsky's dead,' said the citizeness, but somehow not very confidently.

'I protest!' Behemoth exclaimed hotly. 'Dostoevsky is immortal!”
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby Aquarian-Time » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:04 pm

I have this session on casette (not that I have anything to play it on anymore) remember the interview quite well, referencing Nicks injury via a bouncer in France and those words from Ashcroft about wanting to get the next album out as they were on a roll etc etc. Didn't quite pan out like that
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby angelsighs » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:14 pm

if it's the radio session i'm thinking of, it has the best version of Life's an Ocean I've ever heard (and I've heard a lot!), narrowly edging the Jools Holland version into second place!

the other week I downloaded a buttload of Verve bootlegs from various sources including these 3 different blogs:

http://www.deadbad.com/verve/#
https://thefriendlyforum.wordpress.com/
http://livebootlegconcert.blogspot.co.u ... he%20Verve

I spend a nice sunday afternoon tagging them and putting them into my itunes library. yes I am sad. will i get a chance to listen to them all? erm.. hopefully!!
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Re: So these Verve reissues

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby The Dr » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:36 am

simon jones says he's sad how urban hymns overshadowed these superior albums- maybe he missed the forum memo on the subject? also he disliked being put in the same bracket as oasis when the verve were 'more interesting'
“You're not Dostoevsky,' said the citizeness

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'Dostoevsky's dead,' said the citizeness, but somehow not very confidently.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby niamhm » Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:35 pm

The Dr wrote:simon jones says he's sad how urban hymns overshadowed these superior albums- maybe he missed the forum memo on the subject? also he disliked being put in the same bracket as oasis when the verve were 'more interesting'


Hmm, poor misunderstood Simon, some might say ,lol, that that sorta sniffy attitude gives him the appearance of a bit of a bellend :wink:
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:05 pm

My ANS box arrived, holding off on the Storm in Heaven, seems to be a glitch in the mastering and the DVD isn't as comprehensive as originally listed.

It's a nice package and the Loco sessions on disc 3 are ace, the booklet makes for a depressing read tho!
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spzretent » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:23 pm

niamhm wrote:simon jones says he's sad how urban hymns overshadowed these superior albums- maybe he missed the forum memo on the subject? also he disliked being put in the same bracket as oasis when the verve were 'more interesting"

Hmm, poor misunderstood Simon, some might say ,lol, that that sorta sniffy attitude gives him the appearance of a bit of a bellend :wink:

I stand with Simon!
I think he is 100% correct on both counts.
Good for him for speaking up.
He never really spoke when the band were together.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby niamhm » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:31 pm

Might have been better if The Dr had provided a link or some context to these remarks, but it`s subjective anyway, A Northern Souls excellence is widely acknowledged so I`m not sure what he mean`s by overshadowed, I was being flippant but can he not reissue his bands albums without having a pop at another act?
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby The Dr » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:33 pm

niamhm wrote:Might have been better if The Dr had provided a link or some context to these remarks, but it`s subjective anyway, A Northern Souls excellence is widely acknowledged so I`m not sure what he mean`s by overshadowed, I was being flippant but can he not reissue his bands albums without having a pop at another act?


it was in a little box- one paragraph- in this month's uncut- heading 'we were more interesting than oasis'

i can see why he would be 'bitter' towards the album which means that the majority of the public (not on here) care about the band and means they can be reissued and that richard aschcroft can have a solo career
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'Dostoevsky's dead,' said the citizeness, but somehow not very confidently.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:58 pm

tbf his comments have probably been edited and converted into some dumb soundbite. you know what the press is like.

Si Jones seems like a decent chap.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby The Dr » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:59 pm

spunder wrote:tbf his comments have probably been edited and converted into some dumb soundbite. you know what the press is like.

Si Jones seems like a decent chap.


oh sure, i doubt he means anything bad by it- after all he used to drum for brmc
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'Dostoevsky's dead,' said the citizeness, but somehow not very confidently.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:18 am

The Dr wrote:
oh sure, i doubt he means anything bad by it- after all he used to drum for brmc


case of mistaken identity ? Si is the bass player ... Pete Salisbury drummer .. now with Charlatans.

not a bad career huh, Verve, BRMC, Charlatans. that's a half decent CV (praps forget the Solo Ashcroft bit )
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby The Dr » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:53 am

spunder wrote:
case of mistaken identity ? Si is the bass player ... Pete Salisbury drummer .. now with Charlatans.

not a bad career huh, Verve, BRMC, Charlatans. that's a half decent CV (praps forget the Solo Ashcroft bit )


yes, yes, my bad, sorry- i wasn't paying enough attention!

maybe drop out the later charlatans stuff but brmc and the verve is pretty decent :wink: journeymen musicans- andy bell ride-oasis-ride
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'Dostoevsky's dead,' said the citizeness, but somehow not very confidently.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby beaker73 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:15 pm

spunder wrote:It's a nice package and the Loco sessions on disc 3 are ace, the booklet makes for a depressing read tho!


I agree on both accounts. I remember reading somewhere that Funkadelic was a big inspiration for ANS and those loco sessions prove it. Such a loose groove going n there. Brilliant stuff.
The radio sessions also sound really good, on ASIH as well. Haven't heard a glitch yet. But than again haven't listened to the main album yet. B-sides discs sound fine. Not all that different from the original cd's, which is a good thing, I guess.
Can't wait for the ASIH vinyl to arrive and see how it compares to the rather scratchy orginal copy I have.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:43 pm

beaker73 wrote:I agree on both accounts. I remember reading somewhere that Funkadelic was a big inspiration for ANS and those loco sessions prove it. Such a loose groove going n there. Brilliant stuff.
The radio sessions also sound really good, on ASIH as well. Haven't heard a glitch yet. But than again haven't listened to the main album yet. B-sides discs sound fine. Not all that different from the original cd's, which is a good thing, I guess.
Can't wait for the ASIH vinyl to arrive and see how it compares to the rather scratchy orginal copy I have.


the fade between Make it till Monday and Blue is missing, leaving a jarring effect apparently. on the original publicity the DVD also contained the videos for the early singles and a song 'staring stranger' has been omitted from the Camden gig. not sure if these will be rectified. may take the plunge anyway.

could do with more loose jams, they mustve got more stuff in the vault, its a shame King Riffa fades out on disc 3!
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby beaker73 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:39 pm

In the booklet for ASIH John Leckie says he recorded all the jam sessions to DAT, cause they had no songs. So there must be something in the vaults. Would love to hear some of those!
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby beaker73 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:47 pm

spunder wrote:the fade between Make it till Monday and Blue is missing, leaving a jarring effect apparently. on the original publicity the DVD also contained the videos for the early singles and a song 'staring stranger' has been omitted from the Camden gig. not sure if these will be rectified. may take the plunge anyway


Haven't watched the DVD yet, because I have the bootleg of that gig, that was already good quality. Don't care too much for the videos as I already have the best of collection on DVD.

If that crossfade is missing, that would be a silly mistake. No surprise though, having read on forums how universal f*** up on the Simple Minds Sparkle In The Rain boxset. There are people working there who appearantly can't be arsed to get a perfect product out. Shame, really.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby mc » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:08 am

Just got both, but I've hardly had a chance to listen. I can, however, fully comment on the 2016 remix of "She's A Superstar", which I blasted on headphones last night: GOOD was a noticeable increase in the low-end, which gave the track much more punch and gravitas; BAD was noticeable digital "white-noise blip" glitches throughout, particularly in the intro. Yes, I bought the downloads, but its a 270 kpbs VBR file and supposed to be all but identical to the CD file. Would be interested to hear if anyone else has noticed this/other glitches etc? (I personally suspect they're present irrespective of format...)
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:12 am

mc wrote:Just got both, but I've hardly had a chance to listen. I can, however, fully comment on the 2016 remix of "She's A Superstar", which I blasted on headphones last night: GOOD was a noticeable increase in the low-end, which gave the track much more punch and gravitas; BAD was noticeable digital "white-noise blip" glitches throughout, particularly in the intro. Yes, I bought the downloads, but its a 270 kpbs VBR file and supposed to be all but identical to the CD file. Would be interested to hear if anyone else has noticed this/other glitches etc? (I personally suspect they're present irrespective of format...)



aaarrrgh want the ASIH box but these comments are putting me off. was listening to ANS this am, suspect I could hear the 'white noise blips' during 'So It Goes' will do some proper listening later.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:16 am

copied this from the Verve board, some might find interesting (depressing LOLz)::

Going in to these releases I expected with Chris Potter that the loudness wars would rear their ugly heads, but what I was NOT expecting was that the Camden '92 gig, presented on DVD not CD, would be slammed harder than anything else throughout either set! I mean, WTF?

DR5 -2.16 dB -8.35 dB 6:17 01-Slide Away (Live at Camden Town Hall 23.10.92)
DR5 -2.18 dB -8.31 dB 4:16 02-All In The Mind (Live at Camden Town Hall 23.10.92)
DR5 -2.18 dB -9.05 dB 6:53 03-She's A Superstar (Live at Camden Town Hall 23.10.92)
DR6 -2.19 dB -10.62 dB 5:28 04-A Man Called Sun (Live at Camden Town Hall 23.10.92)
DR5 -2.18 dB -8.61 dB 3:40 05-South Pacific (Live at Camden Town Hall 23.10.92)
DR5 -2.19 dB -9.20 dB 4:54 06-Already There (Live at Camden Town Hall 23.10.92)
DR5 -2.17 dB -8.19 dB 8:25 07-The Sun, The Sea (Live at Camden Town Hall 23.10.92)
DR4 -2.19 dB -7.91 dB 8:14 08-Gravity Grave (Live at Camden Town Hall 23.10.92)

I uploaded the full DR scores this morning.

A Storm In Heaven - http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/115196
A Northern Soul - http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/115197

The second hardest hit were the Loco Sessions. Again, another puzzling choice. I love the Loco Sessions material, that 3rd CD is my fave of all 4 non-album CDs, but why? What a shame Universal isn't doing a 24-bit high res download with more open mastering.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby spunder » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:22 am

having said all the above, disc 2 of ANS the bsides is sounding especially fresh and lovely. the remaster is working well for these tracks at least..
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby angelsighs » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:11 pm

I agree with Si Jones's comments- even at their most commercial The Verve were much more interesting than Oasis, with much better influences going on. they are in a bit of a weird situation where because of the huge success of Urban Hymns they almost have two different fanbases. the early fans think Urban Hymns is a sellout, and the later fans think the early stuff is tuneless!

I have to admit, I am finding these boxsets a slight anticlimax- it's probably my fault for being a saddo and already having collected the singles for their extra tracks many moons ago. the boxes themselves are sexy as fuck- nice big booklets, postcards and a ribbon that wraps around stuff so you can pull it all out. and obviously any extra Verve is good. but I've not really found any revelations in the extra material. not like when I first heard the live version of South Pacific, or the Hultsfred Gravity Grave, or the Haigh Hall Neon Wilderness, for the first time... high standards.

it's nice to have all the B sides in one place though- its about time people heard some of those superb songs. The A Northern Soul B Sides are like another whole album of their own- and it's great to have them all in once place and mastered consistently. (the ANS B Sides always sounded quite different to the album- I think because Owen Morris didn't have as much to do with them so therefore didn't do his usual 'turn up to 11')

The Loco sessions are good- I'd agree I can hear a Funkadelic or Hendrix influence in there (particularly in this version of Muhammad Ali- love that funky, fluid guitar style) but they seem a bit repetitive and lacking dynamics or something- Nick's guitar sound seems to have the same tone throughout and limited effects (very different to the kalideoscopic Storm in Heaven era). I'm also gonna be controversial and suggest the early versions of Come On are nothing compared to the ones from the Urban Hymns era.

one more random observation- Sobbo's drums sound fantastic on the Storm in Heaven radio sessions!!
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby beaker73 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:26 pm

angelsighs wrote:I agree with Si Jones's comments- even at their most commercial The Verve were much more interesting than Oasis, with much better influences going on. they are in a bit of a weird situation where because of the huge success of Urban Hymns they almost have two different fanbases. the early fans think Urban Hymns is a sellout, and the later fans think the early stuff is tuneless!

I have to admit, I am finding these boxsets a slight anticlimax- it's probably my fault for being a saddo and already having collected the singles for their extra tracks many moons ago. the boxes themselves are sexy as fuck- nice big booklets, postcards and a ribbon that wraps around stuff so you can pull it all out. and obviously any extra Verve is good. but I've not really found any revelations in the extra material. not like when I first heard the live version of South Pacific, or the Hultsfred Gravity Grave, or the Haigh Hall Neon Wilderness, for the first time... high standards.

it's nice to have all the B sides in one place though- its about time people heard some of those superb songs. The A Northern Soul B Sides are like another whole album of their own- and it's great to have them all in once place and mastered consistently. (the ANS B Sides always sounded quite different to the album- I think because Owen Morris didn't have as much to do with them so therefore didn't do his usual 'turn up to 11')

The Loco sessions are good- I'd agree I can hear a Funkadelic or Hendrix influence in there (particularly in this version of Muhammad Ali- love that funky, fluid guitar style) but they seem a bit repetitive and lacking dynamics or something- Nick's guitar sound seems to have the same tone throughout and limited effects (very different to the kalideoscopic Storm in Heaven era). I'm also gonna be controversial and suggest the early versions of Come On are nothing compared to the ones from the Urban Hymns era.

one more random observation- Sobbo's drums sound fantastic on the Storm in Heaven radio sessions!!


I agree fully with what you're saying about Come On: the version on UH just rocks! The older versions are sort of funky, but lack punch.

Got the vinyl reissue of ASIH yesterday and compared to my beat up original copy. The reissue sounds okay, but it sadly misses dynamics. The way The Sun, The Sea kicks in on the orginal gets you up in your chair, and on the reissue it just starts of and goes on, for example. The sleeve looks better than the original, though...
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby The Dr » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:43 am

angelsighs wrote: they are in a bit of a weird situation where because of the huge success of Urban Hymns they almost have two different fanbases. the early fans think Urban Hymns is a sellout, and the later fans think the early stuff is tuneless!



isn't that true for most bands/singers who have periods of success and not- be it first or second- whether it is the people in their 20s who refuse to listen to anything past blonde on blonde becuase everything else is rubbish or someone like nico or scott walker who had success early on and then went more ideosyncratic and avant-garde?

i wonder who made up the majority of richard ashcroft's solo fanbase?
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby shalloboi » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:22 am

How is the 'A Northern Soul' vinyl? I ordered it because I could never find an original for a decent price (that's not true, actually- I found it in Portland for $35 over a decade ago- one of many things I found, didn't buy and regretted in ways I could've never predicted at the time).

I will probably just stick to my original copy of 'A Storm in Heaven' because I've always loved the way it sounded. Plus, I already have a lot of the extras and it sounds like the mastering is not so great- it seems like an album built around loud/quiet dynamics would lose a lot by being brickwalled into oblivion.

I also was wondering if the vinyl editions come with a download code- my guess is no as that seems to be the case with most remastered vinyl reissues of 90s albums lately.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby burningwheel » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:04 am

spunder wrote:[quote="beaker73"]
I agree on both accounts. I remember reading somewhere that Funkadelic was a big inspiration for ANS and those loco sessions prove it. Such a loose groove going n there. Brilliant stuff.
The radio sessions also sound really good, on ASIH as well. Haven't heard a glitch yet. But than again haven't listened to the main album yet. B-sides discs sound fine. Not all that different from the original cd's, which is a good thing, I guess.
Can't wait for the ASIH vinyl to arrive and see how it compares to the rather scratchy orginal copy I have.


the fade between Make it till Monday and Blue is missing, leaving a jarring effect apparently. on the original publicity the DVD also contained the videos for the early singles and a song 'staring stranger' has been omitted from the Camden gig. not sure if these will be rectified. may take the plunge anyway.

could do with more loose jams, they mustve got more stuff in the vault, its a shame King Riffa fades out on disc 3![/quote]
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby shalloboi » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:17 pm

came across this Q&A with Nick accidentally. Some interesting stuff in here-

http://www.coneysloft.com/home/2016/9/29/qa-the-verve
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Postby angelsighs » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:28 pm

nice interview. Nick seems very reflective these days when looking back on the Verve days.

hope he gets all that solo music onto bandcamp sharpish.
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