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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by angelsighs » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:21 pm

mc wrote:Another vote here for the UH version of Come On - nothing comes remotely close. Nick's layered guitar overdubs give the song so much more depth.

UH was one of those albums that annoyed me by proxy, thanks to friends that only ever listened to songs they already knew from the radio. What's the point in buying an album if you're only gonna play tracks 1 and 4? Then Lucky Man came out, so track 9 was put on the playlist. Oh, and then eventually track 2 once Sonnet came out :roll: :evil:
glad it's not just me.. UH version of Come On for the win!

haha that's funny. I know exactly what you mean. one friend of mine had the album and when I asked her opinion, said that "I only like the songs they released as singles, with the rest it sounds like you've got to be on drugs or something".. it made me think that if she ever listens to A Storm In Heaven, it would melt her brain!!

I had another friend who had R.E.Ms Automatic For The People but would only play the singles on repeat (particularly the last 3 songs).. what is with these people??

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by niamhm » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:39 pm

Come On is one of my fav Verve tracks full stop,

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by burningwheel » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:44 pm

So the UH box was supposed to have a full disc of rarities, but apparently Ashcroft shot it down for live tracks instead. ffs. This is no longer going to have 'all ways and maybe' or whatever it was called
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by Laz69 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:06 am

Nick was having a bit of a rant on FB yesterday about wee Dickie being a wee dick! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by burningwheel » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:07 pm

Yeah, that was great
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by angelsighs » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:08 pm

what on earth is Ashcroft playing at.
word is wants all the royalties for 'All Ways Are Maybes' even though it was one of those Verve tracks where they put together the backing track for him to put words onto.

here is proposed tracklisting for the UH outtakes disc

sweet & sour
wednesday madness
neon wilderness (idea)
jalfrezi
this time (beatnick mix)
tina turner (!!!)
oh sister
sonnet (demo)
original insanity
all ways are maybes
king riff 2

if they can't work this out, I really hope it leaks!!

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by heisenberg » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:20 pm

angelsighs wrote:what on earth is Ashcroft playing at.
word is wants all the royalties for 'All Ways Are Maybes' even though it was one of those Verve tracks where they put together the backing track for him to put words onto.

here is proposed tracklisting for the UH outtakes disc

sweet & sour
wednesday madness
neon wilderness (idea)
jalfrezi
this time (beatnick mix)
tina turner (!!!)
oh sister
sonnet (demo)
original insanity
all ways are maybes
king riff 2

if they can't work this out, I really hope it leaks!!
Nick says his cd copy of these songs has been stolen and has asked for it not to be put online. Unless it was stolen by Ashcroft's messenger pigeons, surely it will have to leak eventually? Between that and Nick sharing his rejected liner notes online, sounds like it's unhappy times in Verve land. What a shame.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by burningwheel » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:00 am

I hope someone leaks snakeskin one day, probably won't though
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by Bon Ronham » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:38 pm

ARRRRRGGGGRRR!! A full show from the ASIH tour has shown up on youtube!! Shakey at best footage of mostly RA but STILL this is holy grail level footage!!

https://youtu.be/PqWJIz2-XKw

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by niamhm » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:38 pm

heisenberg wrote:
Nick says his cd copy of these songs has been stolen and has asked for it not to be put online. Unless it was stolen by Ashcroft's messenger pigeons, surely it will have to leak eventually? Between that and Nick sharing his rejected liner notes online, sounds like it's unhappy times in Verve land. What a shame.
I took him to be being sarcastic and mischievously hinting to putting them up himself.

Ron Bonham, cheers for the tip, it`s not too exciting visually speaking but still way watchable, but the big bonus is the superb sound quality, listening just now, a right treat, shame I'm not a smoker anymore pretty sure this would be going down even more of a treat :wink:

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by burningwheel » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:44 pm

He said he has digital copies of the tracks. I didn't even consider he might leak them, hmmm
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by angelsighs » Fri May 19, 2017 1:23 am

No idea of the context of this vid. looks like Nick turned up to a guitar shop in Manchester recently, he plays a version of A New Decade over a drum machine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snU2st0eAKk

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by angelsighs » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:57 pm

the Urban Hymns tracklisting has been revealed. It's basically all the B Sides, the two extra tracks from the best of, then oodles of live material (including Haigh Hall, predictably enough).

no sign of the outtakes that Nick was talking about. I really hope they find their way onto the interweb one day :(

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Urban-Hymns-Su ... 634&sr=8-2

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by niamhm » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:31 pm

Interesting to see Nick McCabe making a spirited defence against criticism of Forth on his fb page this week.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by TheWarmth » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:41 pm

I'm not surprised McCabe defended Forth. He was more a part of that album than Urban Hymns. I kind of agree with him that it is unfairly derided, but I haven't listened to it in a long time. There are some good songs, for sure. It's a real shame that "Love Is Noise" was the first single and it really is not one of the album's highlights. It was a rough start for their recorded return.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by olan » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:50 pm

Dave Caldwell and Nick McCabe have been having an interesting exchange on FB about this new reissue and also Forth.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by angelsighs » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:56 pm

TheWarmth wrote:There are some good songs for sure, but alos some clunkers.
This about sums up my feelings on Forth too. A curate's egg of an album if ever there was one. Some great stuff but also some trash. And production is too shiny (what's with all these comeback albums and their glossy production?)

I'm disappointed that the outtakes aren't there on the Urban Hymns set but I'm just gonna enjoy it for what it is, rather than what it could have been. Just see it as a nice Verve live boxset.
To have the full Haigh Hall on DVD will be good too. Plus that Jools Holland session is gold.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by TheWarmth » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:27 pm

I went back and listened to UH for the first time in forever the other day and it felt lifeless to me. I really don't like the super glossy production and Ashcroft's sappy as fuck songwriting is coming to the fore with crap like "Sonnet". It really should have been a solo album, as he originally intended it.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by niamhm » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:23 pm

angelsighs wrote:
TheWarmth wrote:There are some good songs for sure, but alos some clunkers.
This about sums up my feelings on Forth too. A curate's egg of an album if ever there was one. Some great stuff but also some trash. And production is too shiny (what's with all these comeback albums and their glossy production?)

I'm disappointed that the outtakes aren't there on the Urban Hymns set but I'm just gonna enjoy it for what it is, rather than what it could have been. Just see it as a nice Verve live boxset.
To have the full Haigh Hall on DVD will be good too. Plus that Jools Holland session is gold.
I`m not going to say its all that, but trash seems a bit harsh, what is it you think is trash?

Also, what`s happened with your quote from The Warmth? No mention of any clunkers in his post I can see :?

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by angelsighs » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:37 am

Oh that's weird. maybe The Warmth edited his post at some point. I've not been creating fake news, honest!

I think the bad songs on Forth are Rather Be, Valium Skies, I See Houses, and Noise Epic. Then there's some average songs and some brilliant ones. On the whole I'm glad they did the comeback. The gigs were good too and some of the other tracks from the era are excellent (Thaw Session, All Night Long)

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by spzretent » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:21 am

It took a few years but the A Storm In Heaven CD box set arrived today.
I started out with the DVD. Jesus. This is just how I remember the early tours. They...were...immense.
Cant wait to check out the rest of this box set.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by heisenberg » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:22 pm

Im completely in awe of the stuff that Ashcroft wouldn't allow on the UH boxset. I listen to it fairly regularly. Most of it is better than some of the stuff on UH. At least four of these tracks could have replaced four songs on UH and have made it a far better album in my opinion. Amazing how much stuff they managed to record and write/jam in 1997 considering they reformed in January that year and the album came out in September. By all accounts the album was in development hell of sorts until McCabe came back in '97.

I love the ASIH box too. What I don't get is the missing piece of music between Make it til Monday and Blue. Was that intentional or did someone balls it up somewhere?

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Post by TheWarmth » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:28 pm

I don't know what the fuck Ashcroft was thinking not allowing the unreleased material on the box. Those songs are fantastic. Plus, they would have sold many more copies of the UH box had they been included. Did he really think they wouldn't leak?

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Post by spzretent » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:19 pm

After reading the interview in the ASIH booklet my assumption was confirmed. Richard was the driving force, at least as far as ambition is concerned, of Verve. In his quest for superstardom he fucked things up.
When Spiritualized did their first record signing at my shop Jason and Kate mentioned how great ANS was and then Richard went back in and remixed or remastered the entire record. Supposedly not for the better but I have to assume it is the version we got.
Then his decision to short change the fans on the UH box.
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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by heisenberg » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:04 pm

I remember you telling this story about Jason and Kate enthusing over ANS in it's previous form and I've always been intrigued by what it sounded like. I wonder if the outtakes from the ANS are an indicator i.e. perhaps slightly more loose and closer to ASIH in spirit and sound.

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Post by TheWarmth » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:33 pm

I find it hard to believe that Richard remixed and remastered ANS by himself before it was released. Maybe he and Owen Morris made revisions together, but I just don't see Dickie sitting at the mixing desk and capably doing that work on his own.

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Post by spzretent » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:46 pm

He instigated it. It was his idea. I am sure he didn't remix or remaster it himself. I should have made my post more clear.
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Post by TheWarmth » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:50 pm

That makes sense. Still, I think ANS is an amazing album. I like the final product very much. UH, on the other hand ... now that we have all the unreleased tracks, I think that could have been a much cooler album.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by angelsighs » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:49 pm

thought many here would appreciate this- a rehearsal version of Judas from 2008. I think it sounds tremendous- the Verve magic really was still there at times. shame they didn't play more of Forth live (largely because of who know who)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IbfRmy7AaA

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by heisenberg » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:21 pm

Thanks for sharing this. I really miss Nick's guitar playing and wish he was releasing new stuff on a regular basis. I also wish he had the opportunity to play some of his rockier stuff as although he has released stuff outside of his bands it often goes down an ambient/production road. The man can really let rip with the heavy riffs and needs a band or project that will let him turn it up loud.

While I don't think he'd fit as a full-time member of Spiritualized, I would love him to appear on one of their recordings one day. As far as contemporary Spiritulalized goes, the ambient intro in the live versions of The Road or the album recording of Sail on Through would gel pretty well with his style. Anyway, here's hoping we get some new material from Nick soon, even if just to hear how that custom guitar of his sounds.

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Re: So these Verve reissues

Post by angelsighs » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:49 pm

Definitely. It's bonkers that it's been over 10 years since Forth (terrifying- time flies), and Nick has little to show for that musically. The Black Sub album didn't excite me much but it's still always good to hear his guitar playing. I wish he'd release something. Anything.

It's all well and good taking pot shots at Ashcroft's stuff but at least he's putting material out there to be judged.
I see what you mean about it being cool if Nick went back to playing proper rock riffs again but ambient stuff is cool too...

Nick playing with Spiritualized? interesting one.. I reckon he'd be good on I Am What I Am or Heading For The Top

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