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I saw a post below about old fans. spiritualized never struck me as a youngster's band,maybe cause they don't have any real image. what age group would you consider them to appeal to most then? Seems like a mid-30s kind of group to me. Not for kids.
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Fuck public image - "we don't need it do we"

Depends on when you heard them first. Myself - 1997. I'm mid twenties, I know mates who are a lot younger than me who are well up for Space sounds.
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You'd be hard pressed to find hardcore fans(as opposed to casual listeners) under 23. And according to Sean Cook, we are mostly male. With anoraks.
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i don't think i'd call myself a 'hardcore fan', but im more than a casual listener, and im 18
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the exception to the rule. still I don't think of Spz as being a young group but maybe I'm out of the loop.
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I'm mid 30's and own a Gap anorak (which is dead handy for golf). My musical passions (defined as a willingness to spend silly money on rare records or travelling to gigs) were as follows: the clash, nick cave, spear of destiny/theatre of hate, hiatus due to deeply unhappy relationship, spiritualized.
I currently have a reasonably large collection of CDs but no girlfriend (are the two related?). I'll be at the Mercury Rev gig at Zakk in Duesseldorf on Monday night in case anyone wants to come and say hello (I'll be wearing a "Whiplash the cowboy monkey" t-shirt.
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Post by spcmn mthr fckr »

Paddy wrote:the exception to the rule. still I don't think of Spz as being a young group but maybe I'm out of the loop.
i dont know many people my age into Spz, a few mates in their early-mid 20s and thats it

when people my age ask me what bands im into and i say Spiritualized, the reply is usually 'who?'
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Post by Mad_Richard »

I'm a mid 30er aswell. Youngest "hardcore" I know would be a 28 year old so perhaps theres something to your theory. Maybe SPZ would get more ladies at the gigs if Spaceman washed his hair and donned those silver pants again.
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Personally, I'm 28 and female. On general principle, hygeine is good, silver pants are not.
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shame on you! those silver pants were great.



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Do you have a pair?
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I just turned 35
I am a Spiritualized junkie, have been since first hearing in 1993 with S3 and Spectrum material, I lived in a household at college of Spritualizedheads, included girls.
I have seen them live in 1995, several times since then - I know I missed one tour since 95 (i'm in the U.S.)
I believe the one I missed ( I live in NYC to be specific) they played at the top of the twin tower Windows on the World.
I saw the great S. also in Riverside Church (upper west Manhattan) that was the best.
In 1995 tho it was more intimate at a smallish club, with a psychedelic light show.
I have to say I miss Kate Radley being in the band.
But I like Thighpaulsandra, and I am a Coil fan.
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i am 34. think j could wash his hair too!
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Im 23 and not too sure what catgory i fit into, it has been 2 years since i was introduced to SPZ :)

(sounds like an AA meeting and im declaring myself....)
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i'm 16 and addicted to porno. ooppss, wrong room.



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goddammit, i'm fakking 32 now. I have listen to spz more than 14 years fer fucks sake!
Freaks me out.
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johanur wrote:goddammit, i'm fakking 32 now. I have listen to spz more than 14 years fer fucks sake!
Freaks me out.
Johan Nyman?
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Post by andrewstevens »

I'm 29 and one obvious factor is that Sanctuary probably only signed Spz on the basis of their existing fanbase and neither them nor BMG put any time in towards cultivating a new audience.

If you're 17, you're more likely to gravitate towards BRMC...

Spz got a few younger fans back in 1997 with LAGWAFIS but these will be mid 20s by now.

I've met some teenage fans but these are few and far between (one is on here, I think).
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BTW, it's not just Spz - if you go to clubs in London like Artrocker or Death Disco they're full of mid-30s types. It's only out in the provinces that going to a club in your 30s is frowned upon...
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Post by Geoff »

It was me who started this age discussion some months ago. I was 35 when I first heard LGM in 1991. After the barren 80's I was desperate for some music with balls, guts, emotion and originality. Spz fulfilled the need in one fell swoop. Last year, I took my 18 year old son to see Spz at The Ritz in Manchester. Within 10 minutes, I could tell by the jaw dropped expression on his face that we had a new convert in the fold. Age is immaterial, appreciation and enjoyment is everything.
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Geoff wrote:It was me who started this age discussion some months ago. I was 35 when I first heard LGM in 1991. After the barren 80's I was desperate for some music with balls, guts, emotion and originality. Spz fulfilled the need in one fell swoop. Last year, I took my 18 year old son to see Spz at The Ritz in Manchester. Within 10 minutes, I could tell by the jaw dropped expression on his face that we had a new convert in the fold. Age is immaterial, appreciation and enjoyment is everything.
Great post... I'm all choked up now.
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I was just introduced to Spiritualized a few months back and I'm 32. My 26 year old gal pal gave me the Complete Works CDs and I think they're just super.
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"i think they're just super"


so do i.



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Ha. Yeah, I've got a younger cousin in his late teens who has designs on being a writer of some sort and anyway I thought if he wanted to do that I'd have to show him the way to Spiritualized, who are (despite my incessant complaining) an excellent 'gateway' group even now to a lifetime of eclectic listening. He loves them.
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Hi xxxshonnxxx. Pleased to meet you. I've been perusing this board and partly feel excited that I've found great music, partly feel silly on account of being out of the loop of great music for what seems like a really long time, and partly feel ignorant as to what qualifies as great music. Perhaps that's a silly thing to say. Great music moves me. However, in all honesty, mediocre music tends to rile a push and pull as well. Sometimes even piss poor music lends itself for a bite of glee. Lately my attitude has been that by and large rock and roll has pretty much been dredged and redredged and what with all the didactic pontification and blah blah blah and yaddah yaddah yaddah and discussion of said blah blah blah and yaddah yaddah yaddah yaddah which in of itself is blah blah blah/ yaddah yaddah makes for one superflous run on of something that is so moot yet so meaningful that I dunno what to make of anything anymore but when it hits, bliss. gnome sayin'? So, anyways, I'm trying to broaden my horizons, again.

do you have some bits for download from your band?
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Post by a beautiful noise »

hello schmoolio,

we have an ep coming out, uhmm shortly. hopefully by june the artwork and everything will be completed. we have tried to NOT put anything up for download until it's completed. weve lost a few shows this way, but we all think it will be worth it in the end. be happy to get you a copy when it's completed.

good for you on getting into spiritualized. i'll just offer you three other bands that you can admire as much as spiritualized.


primal scream
velvet underground
stereolab


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p/s- "lately my attitude has been that by and large rock and roll has pretty much been dredged and redredged and yaddah, yaddah yaddah and blah blah blah".

wow! thought i was reading one of $26's posts. nicely done. :wink:
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i'm 19 years old i'd say i am a hardcore fan off spiritualized/spacemen 3 and the rest of the rugby groups ......... at about 15 or 14 when i saw the ladies and gents write up in the NME i thought this is going to be what i want to like and therfore be different at school , as a young kid i was braught up listening to syd barrett,kraftwerk and the blues so spiritualized seemed the band for a 14 year old eager to be different and eager for new music to my ears .

since then i have literally collected every spacemen 3 related item , hung out with ex member's and through spiritualized got into a much bigger variation off music ,from rare electronic, wirling 60's garage,obscure blues , squeeky clean country and bluegrass ,raving rock n roll ,surf music ,i in a way sort of have to say thanks to spiritualized and spacemen 3 for making me hunt for the band's and types of music and making me meet interesting people whom share same likes.

but like the spacemanmutherfucker geezer when asking other's who are my age, i alway's get the "who" the "what" and as a kid i wanted to form a band it was incredably frustrating ,even now when i meet people my age it's usually the "we adore jurrasic 5" line ......so i've given up trying to form a band now .....so here comes my plug ....i've almost finished my brilliant 6 track e.p of pebbles inspired garage tracks ......i've even done a cover of the troggs i want you with loads of flange very sp3 like ..... if anyone want's a copy when it's done get in touch .

currently listening to LINK WRAY & the wraysmen - ROCK N ROLL RUMBLE lp
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right on Shonn. Thanks for the leads. I can't say that I'm at all familiar with Primal Scream. I know a bit of Velvet Underground but now that I think about it, not enough. My friend who gave me Spiritualized also gave me a Strereolab CD and I actually disliked it........perhaps another go.

so, how would you describe your sound?
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pauldroneon! pleased to meet you. I'm curious, what are your thoughts on the classics?....... Led Zeppelin, The Who, Hendrix, Beatles, Nirvana, Metallica, Bob Marley? Having just recently arrived on this board I've noticed that I don't know the majority of the bands people are discussing. So for some reason I wonder what a 19 year olds thoughts are on hugely "successful" bands.
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schmoolio wrote:My friend who gave me Spiritualized also gave me a Strereolab CD and I actually disliked it........perhaps another go.
Stereolab vary enormously. Its possible to split them into Krautrock or what I refer to as French cafe style. I love the former, loathe the other. When they drone and drive on relentlessly like an outtake from a Neu album they are immense - the live shows of that stuff were as good as almost anything I've ever seen. When they wimp and whimper they are horrible - as far as I can see everything from Dots and Loops onwards is like that and I've avoided it. But a compilation like Refried Ectoplasm or Switched On contains enough droney monsters to keep a Spiritualized fan happy.

I wrote all that and managed not to indulge in Primal Scream bashing. Oh - oops.
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haha! the classics. they are exactly that. classic. BUT, i think that the bands you listed (with the exception of metallica/nirvana) should be used to look deeper into the rabbit hole. try small faces, the troggs, the kinks, mc5, love, the sonics.

as for bob marley, UUGGHGH!! it's hard to dislike him but i do. why oh why is he the definitive figure of jamacian music and not lee perry is mindblowing.

as for nirvana, never really a big fan, just a causal listener, with that said i still think 'bleach' is brilliant.

as for 'a beautiful noise', i would hate to try and explain what should be heard.

and metallica is just plain GROSS. sorry.


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and you runci, you just leave the primals alone. they are fucking glorious.


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Yeah Runcible, leave The Scream alone! Or ABN will send Bobby round to sort you out!
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I assume that when he comes round to sort me out Bobby will be wearing the emperors new clothes which he's had on since just after Screamadelica was released.

Should be a giggle (stifles yawn).
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Runcible, what's your gripe with Primal Scream? Bullet points would be appreciated.
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Well:

- Screamadelica was a fluke - more of a Weatherall solo album with them as session musicians.

- Every single other record they have made, both before and after, is terrible. I occasionally swallow my dislike for them and buy some album that everyone goes nuts about. It is always dreadful.

-They played the single worst headline show I have ever seen. On that tour with George Clinton in 1994 - just about everyone raved about it and people refer back to these gigs as legendary. They were indeed incredible, but for all the wrong reasons. I was absolutely astonished they could be so bad. And I was so excited before they came on.

-They were also terrible at Glastonbury in 1992. I blamed it on the sound at the time. Now I know its because they're simply a very poor band.

That's enough for me. If the music is appalling there isn't any place left to go. And I say this today as a big fan of Screamadelica which I love, but I know why its good and its very little to do with Primal Scream. I heard the shows close to the release of Screamadelica were excellent too, although I have some doubts.
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nah, not bobby. i'd send throb and mani round. he can take care of the dirty business for me. besides, bobby is smaller than i am!




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You obviously haven't seen them live since Mani's arrival. He gave the band a new lease of life. Totally changed and refreshed their sound.

By Bobby's own admission, prior to Mani joining, the band were stale and were in a pretty fuckin messy state.

Things have changed. Primal Scream's music genuinely excites me.

To call their music "appalling" makes me laugh. Save that definition for the countless bands that are fitting of the title.
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ANYBODY WHO CAN STATE THAT A BAND THAT CONSISTS OF BOBBY G, MANI, AND KEVIN FUCKING SHIELDS IS APPALLING IS A LIVING IDIOT. YOUR VILLAGE MISSES YOU.


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Well said mucker.
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I saw the scream around the release of Screamadelica at Norwich waterfront and they were fantastic, one of the best gigs I have ever seen. I've bought all the records since and seen them a couple of times (the last time being the Hoping gig when I left before the end of their set due to being rather bored). They seem to be stuck in a rut of recycling the same song again and again. Now and again they come up with an interesting variant e.g., deep hit of morning sun, but most of it sounds like endless remixes of swastika eyes (retitled 'war pigs' for the german release, anyone want to buy the CD single?) and leaves me rather cold.
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runcible wrote:Well:
- Screamadelica was a fluke - more of a Weatherall solo album with them as session musicians.
Spot on. They'd not long released the self titled album, where they went all MC5 but, even though I'm sure they enjoyed making it, because it received a disinterested response, they decided to ditch that phase (a bit like they did with Sonic Flower Groove).
They gave a load of tapes to Weatherall and his remixing was so well received, they finally found some popularity to settle in.
(A bit like the Cult with Rick Rubin. Only different)

Despite that, and in disagreement with runcible, I'd have to say I think Xtmntr and Vanishing Point are brilliant.
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Primal Scream are a great rock n roll band. I have enjoyed all their stuff since day one. 'Velocity Girl' was the blue-print for the Stone Roses first(and only) great album, Ivy Ivy Ivy still rocks and 'I'm losing more than i ever had' is a great song and stands up even before the remix. Screamadelica stands up now as one of the truely great albums in the last 20 years and 'Give out but don't give up' is their ownly shit album since....
Evil Heat, Vanishing Point, Xtrmntr all work and stated on here before the band has evolved with Mani and Kevin Shields. Each release embodies a new direction and a desire to move on....

Bobby G is one of the few iconic rock n roll stars left and still performs brilliantly. Like Spz i have seen nearly all the tours since the beginning and have enjoyed nearly all. The bands additional members have seen them get even better in recent years/tours and they can really rock out man....

Kris Needs book is also great on Primal Scream....

Come on Runicble with some many better targets, Primal Scream shouldn't even be on your list. Now if we were discussing Blur i would help you pull the trigger....

Rock on....
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I stick to my point. Live they remain the worst headline band I have ever seen (Smashing Pumpkins come close). Vanishing Point is completely appalling - I used the word before and it was apt so I'll use it again. The press went mad about that record and it is truly and utterly dreadful.


Better targets? Well, the Scream are better than the Manic Street Preachers (that fact I mention them in the same sentence should tell you just how bad they are). Is that enough? Sorry - I sincerely believe Primal Scream to be amongst the worst rock bands I can possibly think of, certainly the worst of any that are regarded as having any kind of importance. Blur are quality in comparison.

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THE VILLAGE IDIOT (but I try not to SHOUT about it). But then I believe one of my accusers is a PRINCE fan! Don't even get me started on that sorry charlatan! (sorry baz - I HAD to do it)
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I dunno Runcie, I bought 'Ladies and Gentlemen...' around the same time I got 'Vanishing Point' and for me, those two records are very evocative of that summer {1997}- 'Vanishing Point' in particular I always associate as a really 'up' album - its really beautiful in places. I love it.

'Give Out ' is one of my favourite albums - full stop.

I have yet to see The Scream live, but I have seen the hoping footage and it wasn't the greatest rock n' roll band in the world. Maybe the sound was bad...maybe.

Bring on new music though...the Weatherall shit is usually the finest.

On another note was interested to note that the biggest selling music artist in the US last year was in fact... Prince. Kind of sweet irony for hundreds of sub editors who ran 'where are they now' features.

Maybe the tickets are really expensive, like more than Brian Wilson.
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