Spice of life

Mad_Richard · Post by **Mad_Richard** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:17 am

Greatest movies ever made? Greatest Books ever written? Greatest albums that you've heard? And if you're feeling unusually cultured, who is your favorite painter and... why the hell not, culture?

twentysixdollars · Post by **twentysixdollars** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:37 am

Belle de Jour or Blade Runner. Ulysses or To the Lighthouse. Hard to say. Pollock or David. Stravinsky. Dante. Robert Browning. Brian Wilson.

Post by **runcible** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:13 pm

Off the top of my head...

Films:
Performance
Apocalypse Now
To Kill a Mockingbird
Taxi Driver

Books:
The Mayor of Casterbridge (Thomas Hardy)
Our Mutual Friend (Charles Dickens)
High Life (Matthew Stokoe)
A Simple Plan (Scott Smith)
To Kill a Mockingbird (Harper Lee)

Painter:
Hockney
Van Gogh
Monet

Photographer:
Robert Mapplethorpe
Ansel Adams
Annie Liebowitz
Henry Cartier-Bresson
Man Ray

Albums - see my top 10 albums in another thread.

Culture - Gawd - where do I start?

That'll do for a quick list.

will this do? · Post by **will this do?** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:26 pm

PG Wodehouse, Evelyn Waugh, Graham Greene, Will Self, Kurt Vonnegut, 2 Lane Blacktop, A Matter of Life and Death, Gilbert & Sullivan, Le Corbusier, Erno Goldfinger, Piranesi, Andrea Palladio, Edward Weston, Piet Mondrian, Mark Rothko, Ugo Zagato, Eric Morecambe, Matthew Le Tissier...

Adovadotchka · Post by **Adovadotchka** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:23 pm

Movies--not really a "movie" person

Books--in no particular order

William Faulkner-Sanctuary
Jean-Paul Sartre-The Age of Reason (one of the only philisophical novels I've ever read that still manages to be a decent novel)
Vladimir Nabakov-Ada (better than Lolita, in my opinion)

Albums--off the top of my head, I don't have all morning

the Beatles-Abbey Road (would have been better if a couple of songs had been relegated to the mess that was the White album, or I would nominate an edited White album)

the Verve-Urban Hymns (not their best songs, no, but the album was so cohesive-sounding, like it was all of one piece)

Spiritualized-Let it Come Down (what board are we on?)

Painter--

Francisco DeGoya
My Husband

twentysixdollars · Post by **twentysixdollars** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:25 pm

I love the fact that this thread somehow includes Robert Mapplethorpe and Two-Lane Blacktop.

But Annie Liebovitz?

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:47 pm

FILMS

One Flew over the cuckoo's nest
Apocalypse now
High planes drifter
To kill a mockingbird
Star wars
man bites dog
trainspotting
Bullitt

BOOKS
life of Pi (Yann Martel)
Brave new world (aldous huxley)
Trainspotting & Glue (Irvine Welsh)
To kill a mockingbird (Harper Lee)
The bible

ARTISTS
Wasily Kandinsky
Claude Monet
Paul Gaugin
Laslo moholy-Nagy
Paul Klee
Tony Hart

MUSIC
Abbey road - Beatles
Exile on Main Street - Stones
laser guided melodies - SPZ
Harvest - Neil Young
Radiator - SFA
Bowie - Low
Charlatans - wonderland
Underworld - Technodubmanin......
Daft Punk - Homework
Leftfield - leftism
Happy Mondays - Pills and thrills
Stone Roses - Stone Roses

I also meant to include any of Roald Dahl's books...OOps

Post by **runcible** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:38 pm

twentysixdollars wrote:I love the fact that this thread somehow includes Robert Mapplethorpe and Two-Lane Blacktop.

But Annie Liebovitz?

Liebowitz's photos in the mid 80s (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Meryl Streep, Blues Brothers, Sylvester Stallone, Bette Midler) are among the best examples of portrait photography I can think of.

Somehow I managed to miss out Richard Avedon - he was the greatest portrait photgrapher ever. Possibly the greatest photographer too.

twentysixdollars · Post by **twentysixdollars** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:38 pm

True, true, but I think Annie pissed her perfect eye a little in the nineties and certainly recently with her tedious goth-glam cover shoots. Ironic that so many misogynistic tropes could turn up in the work of someone who was ostensibly one of Susan Sontag's lovers. But then again I approach photography as a dilletante and exegete, with no particular technical knowledge.

will this do? · Post by **will this do?** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:24 pm

twentysixdollars wrote:True, true, but I think Annie pissed her perfect eye a little in the nineties and certainly recently with her tedious goth-glam cover shoots...

Till I read on, I thought you were referring to Annie Sprinkle, but that's a whole other kind of artist.

Is Cindy Sherman a 'photographer'? She's good I think.

jess farr · Post by **jess farr** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:39 pm

Films:
the Straight Story
Unforgiven
the Thin Red Line
the Elephant Man

Books:
Moby Dick
East of Eden
From Here To Eternity
Neuromancer
the Last Temptation of Christ

Mad Geniuses:
William Blake
Dante
Milton
Ludwig Van
Bob Dylan

spliffboy · Post by **spliffboy** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:48 pm

books:

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, The Hitchhikers Guide (any and all),
Brave New World, Pride and Prejudice

A Million Little Pieces by James Frey..........has anyone else read this?
this is the only book I've ever read that I'd describe as inspirational
If you haven't, seek it out!

Painters:
Leonardo Da Vinci - not for the mona lisa though
Monet
Picasso

Films:

True Romance - the scene where Dennis Hopper gets shot is nigh on perfect!
The Godfather
Carlito's Way
The life of Brian

People:

Bill Hicks, Bob Geldof, Andrew Marr (BBC political journalist for all non-brits)

Music

The choral symphony,
Lakme - an opera by Delibes (dodgy spelling there, can't be arsed to go look at the cd),
I. Adagio Sostenuto from Piano Sonata No. 14 (Quasi Una Fantasia) In C, Beethoven again

BVCP206 · Post by **BVCP206** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:53 pm

Movies - Jaws followed closely by Unforgiven.

twentysixdollars · Post by **twentysixdollars** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:21 am

will this do? wrote: Till I read on, I thought you were referring to Annie Sprinkle, but that's a whole other kind of artist.

Damn you British and your brilliantly dry British wit. (And that's Dr Annie Sprinkle to you.)

Dante was not mad.

anorthernsoul · Post by **anorthernsoul** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:09 am

Andrew Marr

i fucking love andrew marr. i haven't got a telly any more but it's him alone that would convince me to buy a license. his cheeky asides, the ambiguous switches between red and blue ties ... he's wonderful.

an interesting guardian piece.

TheWarmth · Post by **TheWarmth** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:46 am

Has anyone heard L'Enfant Assasin des Mouches by Jean-Claude Vannier?

will this do? · Post by **will this do?** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:01 am

anorthernsoul wrote:
Andrew Marr
i fucking love andrew marr. i haven't got a telly any more but it's him alone that would convince me to buy a license. his cheeky asides, the ambiguous switches between red and blue ties ... he's wonderful.

an interesting guardian piece.

HOCKNEY!! Well done.

Of course Andrew Marr does a lot of good work on the wireless, although I never hear Start the Week (why do the schedulers presume that people with jobs are ONLY interested in 'politics' and 'news'?).

SRvdL · Post by **SRvdL** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:20 am

Books: 'The secret history'/Donna Tartt, 'The remains of the day'/Kazuo Ishiguro, 'Letters'/Vincent van Gogh, 'Pride and Prejudice'/Jane Austen, 'Yevgeny Onegin'/Alexander Pushkin.

Films: 'House of flying daggers', 'Le diner des cons', 'Happiness', 'Onegin', 'Karakter', 'Together'.

CDs/Albums: 'Ladies and gentlemen...'/Spiritualized, 'Rubber soul'/The Beatles, 'B.R.M.C.'/Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, 'Ainsi soit je'/Mylene Famer, '...And this is our music'/The Brian Jonestown Massacre, 'Songs to learn and sing'/Echo and the Bunnymen, 'Seance'/The Church, 'The dreaming'/Kate Bush.

Painters: Rembrandt van Rijn, Vincent van Gogh, Leonid Pasternak.

Photographers: Robert Freeman, Lee Miller.

Hedspace · Post by **Hedspace** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:22 am

BOOKS
The Ginger Man: J.P. Donleavy
The Exorcist: William P Blatty
To Kill a mockingbird: Harper Lee
The Hobbit: Tolkien

FILMS
The Exorcist (scared the shite out of me & still does)
Manhunter
Jaws
Willie Wonka and the chocolate Factory
Once upon a time in America
Withnail & I

ARTISTS
Carravagio
Van Gogh
Francis Bacon
Rolf Harris

MUSIC
Marvin Gaye Whats goin on
Underworld Dubnobasswithmyheadman
Spiritualized LGM and Complete Works 1
Kruder & Dorfmeister: K&D Sessions
Primal Scream Screamadelica
Stone Roses : Both Albums
Chameleons: Strange Times

too many to mention, I would be here all jayysussin day

Post by **runcible** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:46 pm

Hedspace wrote: FILMS
Willie Wonka and the chocolate Factory

Good shout - just how psychedelic is some of that? The bit in the boat kind of warrants an 'R' certificate!

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:20 pm

I reckon the new version will either total shit or absolutely brilliant. Johnny Depp should be ideal in the lead.
I hope they dont go all computer graphics on us and waste it. I liked the way the cinematic restrictions of the day added to the weird factor in places.

owl · Post by **owl** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:07 pm

FILMS

Once upon a time in America
Naked
Performance
Apocalypse Now
Midnight Cowboy
Head

Books

Aldous Huxley-Island
Hunter S Thompson-Fear and Loathing
Tom Wolfe-Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test
Jack Keroac-Dharma Bums
John Savage-Englands Dreaming
Irvine Welsh-Filth
Shane McGowan-A Drink With
William Burroughs-Open any book,anypage and read

Records

Stone Roses-Stone Roses
Primal Scream-Exterminator & Screamadelica
Rolling Stones-Sticky Fingers
Bob Dylan-Blood on the Tracks
Spriritualized-Ladies and Gentlemen
Spacemen 3-Perfect Perscription
Dinasoaur Jnr-Out There
Sex Pistols-Nevermind the Bollocks
The Clash-The Clash & London Calling
Brian Wilson-Smile
Beatles-Revolver
SYd Barret-Madcap Laughs
Patti Smith-Horses
Deat in Vegas-Contino Sessions

ALSO

Peter Cooke, Bill Hicks, Allan Ginsbreg, Neal Cassady, Karl Marx, William Blake, Elvis Presley, Che Guevara, Johnny Cash, Noam Chomsky and Mr.Benn

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:37 pm

Spice ay life. As Juice Terry used to say.

a beautiful noise · Post by **a beautiful noise** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:04 pm

thats brilliant. juice terry. spice of life.

hey speaking of, i thought they were gonna make a movie for Porno and Filth. anybody hear about that? was it just a rumors.

xxxshonnxxx

mc · Post by mc » Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:42 am

There was an interview with Robert Carlyle in the Times not long ago (last week?). It claimed that Porno is unlikely to be made; Carlyle would love to play Begbie again but Ewan McGregor isn't too enthusiastic about returning.

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:45 pm

He doesnt want to do it as Danny Boyle asked Leo di Caprio??? do do the beach

a beautiful noise · Post by **a beautiful noise** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:39 pm

yeah sounds like ewan is getting a bit too big for his britches. the last decent movie he did was trainspotting.

thats brilliant to hear that robert carlyle is willing to return as begbie. he is one of my favourite actors. luckily he hasn't followed the same route as ewan.

american idol, ewan mcgregor. what a waste.

xxxshonnxxx

twentysixdollars · Post by **twentysixdollars** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:40 pm

Come now, Big Fish was terrific. And my wife and I really enjoyed Down With Love.

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:56 pm

The sequel is in the pipe line. 'Come down with love on my big fish' Starring Ewan 'Showzyercock' McGregor

herman · Post by **herman** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:37 pm

movies

books

painters

philosophers

musicbands

if I would make a list, I had to change it tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Life's hard

JThunders · Post by **JThunders** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:50 pm

Movies: The Godfather (part 2)
The Wicker Man
Man Bites Dog
The Big Blue
Donnie Darko

Books: Picture of Dorian Grey
The Great Gatsby
Hells Angels
One Flew Over a Cuckoos Nest
To Kill A Mockingbird
Winnie the Pooh

Albums: Jane's Addiction-Jane's addiction
Nick Cave- And No More Shall We Part
The Cramps- Bad Music for bad People
Anything by The ramones
Massive attack- blue Lines
The Jam- All Mod Cons
Beastie Boys- ill communication
Jeff Buckley-Grace
The smiths- Meat Is Murder
Just the humble opinion of a mixed up 30 something!

a beautiful noise · Post by **a beautiful noise** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:55 pm

sorry sorry sorry, Big Fish was excellent. absolutely correct.

i think EVERYBODY is gonna be blown away with the new Wonka. we got to see a rather lengthy trailer for it. it looks spectacular.

an orbie, i think burtons combination of cg fx and his natural ability for weirdness should prove to be most entertaining.

xxxshonnxxx

spacemanrich · Post by **spacemanrich** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:14 pm

I particularly hate remakes, but this one seems interesting. I read that in one scene that costed several million dollars and took 6 months to film, they have squirrels cracking nuts and putting them on the conveyer belt (something that was omitted in the 1970 film due to the complexity.)

ononist · Post by **ononist** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:55 am

My sister was on the set for a while. Not sure whether i want to see it as i love the original so much.

Ononist

Mustard · Post by **Mustard** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:00 pm

A lot of excellent choices so I'll stick my picks to those not already listed.

Books -
Hunter Thompson - Fear & Loathing On The Campaign Trail
Patrick Suskind - Perfume
Ken Kesey - Sometimes A Great Notion
Bukowski - Ham On Rye
Henry Miller - Tropic Of Capricorn

Films -
The Amateur
Amelie
Drugstore Cowboy
Secrets And Lies
Jesus' Son

Albums -
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense
Nick Cave - Lyre Of Orpheus/Abbatoir Blues
REM - Fabels Of The Reconstruction
The Verve - A Nothern Soul

As I visited a Dali gallery in Paris the other day, I'll have to give him a mention. His biblical orientated work really got me going.

Mustard · Post by **Mustard** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:08 pm

Also, RE. Trainspotting/Porno film. I read a Danny Boyle interview about a year ago where he said that they'd started filming it but all the main cast looked too tanned and healthy. The easy living of success had softened them up and that they didn't seem keen on losing weight etc.

Wasn't there also supposed to be a film about 'On The Road' with Brad Pitt coming out? Could be a real mess but I thought it was all finished.

spacemanrich · Post by **spacemanrich** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:58 pm

I didn't know that Danny Boyle is going to make the 'Porno' adaptation ? He has a current movie out in the states, " Millions " that has glowing reviews. Bit of a children's movie, but still want to see it, the movie trailer looks good. Big fan of his body of work, thought 'Shallow Grave' was brilliant and that 'The Beach' was under-rated. He had a falling out w/ Ian McGregor, because McGregor wanted the part in 'The Beach' , but gave it to DiCaprio, did they mend their differences ?

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:07 pm

Ian McGregor also wanted both parts in Shallow Grave and Trainspotting but apparently didnt make it.

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:10 pm

He's now working on a short film for his film studies class at motherwell College. Roughly the plot goes that Steven Hawking tries to save the world ending in a showdown above the eiffel tower with davros on jet packs

a beautiful noise · Post by **a beautiful noise** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:39 pm

screw porno (ha-ha)! i wanna see a flick about FILTH, i'd safely say that ewan would probably pass on that offer. WUSS!

xxxshonnxxx

anorthernsoul · Post by **anorthernsoul** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:43 pm

He had a falling out w/ Ian McGregor, because McGregor wanted the part in 'The Beach' , but gave it to DiCaprio, did they mend their differences ?

i don't think so, or not unless it's happened recently. as far as i understand, ewan had been given the part, or was naturally expected to play it, but danny boyle went for leonard and a bigger budget. i like leonardo dicaprio, but you can watch the beach and hear the lines being said in ewan's voice, it was meant for him.

Gruff · Post by **Gruff** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:21 pm

film;
LOTR (sorry)
Monty python and the holy grail/life of brian
Three colours
Atanerguat -the fast runner
The wild bunch
dr strangelove
the incredibles

TV;
father ted

Play;
rebecca
sgt musgraves dance
king lear

Ballet;
giselle
anyold thing by stravinsky

composer;
boulez
varese
glass

Books;
cryptonomicon -neal stephenson
bound for glory -woody guthrie
grapes of wrath -steinbeck
lotr (sorry again)

'art'
picasso (guernica really-i can take or leave the rest to be honest)
johns
bacon
lee

...actually this doesn't seem like a very complete list. it'll do

Juzba · Post by **Juzba** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:53 pm

Filmic ("Is that a word? It is now!")

Un bande Ã part (Godard)
Der Amerikanische Soldat (Fassbinder)
Mean Streets (Scorsese)
M (Fritz Lang)
La Dolce Vita (Fellini)
Dancer In The Dark (Von Trier)
The Five Obstructions (Von Trier & Leth)
Manhattan (Allen)
Le Cercle Rouge (Melville)
Hearts & Minds (Peter Davis)
Dekalog (Kieslowski)
Peeping Tom (Powell)
Psycho (Hitchcock)

and many of the Powell & Pressburger films.

Literary

Incidences - Daniil Kharms
Book of Illusions - Paul Auster
Filth - Irvine Welsh
Hegemony or survival - Noam Chomsky
Woody Allen on Woody Allen / Trier on Von Trier - Stig BjÃ¶rkman

plus a couple of books from finnish and swedish authors, will not list them here.

Music

Too many to mention.

Current Top 10 (in no particular order)

NWA - Gangsta Gangsta
Ulh Lohmann - On Frozen Roads 12"
MC 5 - High Time (180g vinyl edition, just fucking fantastic)
Deathprod - Deathprod
Supersilent 1-3
Stax/Volt Singles (9 CD boxset)
Nieminen & Litmanen
Tuomari Nurmio & Alamaailman Vasarat
David Bowie - Stage
Labradford - Prazision LP