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Post by veep23 » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:13 am

OK... i know lots of people think the guitar is dying but, if you like spz then u probably like the sound of guitars. So who do u think are the innovators of the instrument today? Who are the ones pushing it? My choices:

Nels Cline: if you have seen him live u know what i mean. he can play anything in any style and make it his own.

Marc Ribot: listen to some of his stuff with John Zorn's Masada or Los Cubanos Postizos. then listen to him on "Hoist That Rag" by Tom Waits. it is one of the greatest guitar songs you will ever hear (though it's not really a guitar song at all).

Lee Ranaldo/Thurston Moore: they are still accomplishing an outstanding mix of dissonance and harmony.

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Post by bambam » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:24 pm

Wayne Rogers...Everything he was done from his solo stuff, Crystalized Movements, Magic Hour (with Damon & Naomi), and currently Major Stars is some of the most mind-expanded psychedelic guitar work since (dare I say) Jimi. The B.O.R.B. stuff was never quite structured enough for me and he's also had a bunch of other projects, too (Vermonster I think).

Anyways I think Major Stars is playing ATP (NBC) for those in England this year and I cannot recommend them enough. If you can find any of the C.M. or M.H. stuff (usually its in the bargain bins) it will be some short money well spent...

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Post by bunnyben » Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:56 pm

will sergent- less is more
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
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Post by spzretent » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:36 pm

Ronald Jones- The man who made the old Flaming Lips noisy. A guitar wizard he was.
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Post by Chapter Two » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:40 pm

Dave Pajo
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Post by 96tears » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:15 pm

Jan Savage, The Seeds.
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Post by herman » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:04 pm

John Fahey
Caspar Brötzman
Pete Townsend
Bevis Frond
and ugh, Jimi Hendrix
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Post by Edukator » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:19 pm

Sonic Youth rule!
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Post by herman » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:25 pm

Almost forgotten, too much neglected, but what a guitar genius:

Frank Zappa!!
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Post by runcible » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:39 pm

Mike Gibbons of Bardo Pond. No one gets a richer sound.

Paul Allen of The Heads. Sheer inspied indulgence.

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Post by Shinesalight » Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:52 pm

Neil Young has still got it.

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Post by duppyconquerer » Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:54 pm

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Post by BzaInSpace » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:54 pm

Prince, Kevin Shields, Kerry King, Ichirou Agata & Andrew Innes.

Imagine they were in the same band... :wink:

They have to be alive right? Otherwise the list goes on...

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Post by jack white » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:20 pm

um... not to be a party pooper, but wasnt the guy asking for more modern players? i think some of you have taken liberties with the authors definition of "today".

but yea, pajo is a great call. but fuck me, if zwan werent the worst thing since the smashing pumpkins (heh) then i dunno. omar rodriguez of at the drive-in/the mars volta is quite delightful at times, but has seemingly strayed irrecovably up santana's rear end. still, that first ep was terrific and the full length mars volta debut had some terrific face melting moments.

and of course, axls former buddy buckethead. prone to awful collaborations, and pointless shredding, but he is still mightly impressive. and some of his work on those gnr classics really was something to behold (my favourite solo ever is that slash outro on nightrain, appetite version - with the live era version not far behind. well, bucket at leeds fest 2002 really was quite ridiculous, but the good ridiculous in so far as he nearly knocked slash off his perch with his own nightrain solo. its an absolute joy to behold.) bumblefoot (yea, axl does have a thing for stupidly named guitarists, though thankfully this guy looks like a gunner, as opposed to bucketheads kfc fetish and fincks former transvestite robot look) isnt half bad either - and does a pretty tasty solo version of dont cry (that axl wont fucking sing).

and of course me!

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Post by a beautiful noise » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:58 pm

fuck off, they are all pointless.

theres only one true choice.

kevin shields.

leave your scale shredding to the twats done at guitar center.


kevin shields
kevin shields
kevin shields


just in case you missed it

kevin shields.

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Post by Chapter Two » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:30 pm

jack white wrote:but yea, pajo is a great call. but fuck me, if zwan werent the worst thing since the smashing pumpkins (heh) then i dunno.
I know what you mean jack white, but he knows it was a mistake and he got out of it, and he won't be doing that again. everything else he puts out himself is magical.

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Post by manuel » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:14 am

what about the damned kember/pierce interplay? i was just listening to "taking drugs to make music...", and those noise "solos" sounds just like a fucked up harmonica played for a power-plant-worker-delivered blues....... and, besides, jason is one of the greatest singers of the rock era... awww fuck i'm gonna play it again

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Post by BzaInSpace » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:28 am

Most 'rock' guitarists are fucking awful. Fashion dictates a lot of new bands have to have a really shitty, scratchy trebly tone...just like records from 1979 they probably haven't even heard.

Manuel above is correct. The Spacemen's tone was awesome. I'm sure so many learned to play by listening to them, they were never flashy or anything.

I also think the likes of J Coxon and Doggen are definitely underrated apart from those who know what they do. The Coxon/Doggen/Spaceman live guitar-power-trio is fucking insane to witness!

I would argue the Jack White - poster here and Raconteur - is an excellent guitarist too. Again, all about that tone. But shit...he's really good.

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Post by bunnyben » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:57 pm

jack white wrote:um... not to be a party pooper, but wasnt the guy asking for more modern players? i think some of you have taken liberties with the authors definition of "today".

!

most of the ones mentioned are still releasing albums so as far as i'm concerened new material counts as 'today' unless you mean the actual definition of 'today' which would mean no one as new music is not released on a friday, in the uk at the least...
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Post by 96tears » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:33 pm

Billy Childish.... :?: :lol: :? :o

he influenced :- Jack White, Kurt Cobain, Graham Coxon, and so on and so on blah blah blahhhhhhh

....and the guy only knows 3 chords.
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Post by jack white » Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:13 pm

billy childish is lucky he didnt end up like jason stollsteimer.

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Post by 96tears » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:02 pm

jack white wrote:billy childish is lucky he didnt end up like jason stollsteimer.
Image

Oh yeah??? :shock:

My money'll be on the most childish one. Jack White may have more pounds per punch but he'll tire quickly. Billy has muscle tone & does that Tia Chi master stuff.

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Post by nukisarocknrollstar » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:34 pm

been learning 'this charming man' and while trying to learn realised how incredilble johnny marr is. i can't believe he can/could write guitar parts as cool as the ones on the song and also on what how soon is now and bigmouth etc.

quite impressed with the longcuts guitar work also. simple but yet so effective!

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Post by Flathaddock » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:53 pm

Jonny Marr plays guitar
John Kettley is a weatherman and so is Michael Fish

Yep, I salute Jonny Marr. But, I must admit I have not heard of some of the people mentioned on here by others. David Gilmour, I like Pink Floyd so I will add him. George Harrison, his guitar gently weeps.

Perhaps I should get back over there on the fence before my choices are all shot down.

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Post by jack white » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:57 pm

Flathaddock wrote:Jonny Marr plays guitar
George Harrison, his guitar gently weeps.
you (everyone!) gotta see the "all-star" tribute tom petty, prince, his son and loads of other people who i cant remember did on vh1 or some crap. prince fucking rips the arse out of everything (ever!).

so much so, that im actually embarrassed i forgot to list him. but then by my rules he isnt 'today', so really all you rule breakers should feel embarrassed (unless someone did mention him and ive missed it).
here is it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ND7wSZj-L0

bonko's.

(and also, robbie robertson should have been mentioned by those living in yesterdays today.)

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Post by jamesj1986 » Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:30 am

Don Devore.

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Post by Flathaddock » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:35 pm

Jack White, thanks for that link, I enjoyed watching that cover of George's 'while my guitar gently weeps'. You are right, Prince certainly can play guitar. I have no idea how to play a guitar but it looked like Tom Petty, Jeff Lynne and Danni Harrison did quite a good job themselves.

Ok you said guitarists from today and obviosuly George Harrison is now making music elsewhere so he can not be counted and I am unsure what Jonny Marr is up to just now. I would have added John Squire but I am also unsure what he is up to now. Well as I am no expert on guitar ability, can I stick with David Gilmour as he still makes musc and could I add Bernard Butler, everyone may think he is shit but I like some of his music and he is fairly relevant as a guitarist from today.

Also that link allowed me to watch more videos featuring songs by George Harrison so thanks for that I was/am a big fan of his and that was a lovely early afternoon moment. Thanks.

Here comes the sun :wink: , got to dash.

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Post by a beautiful noise » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:00 pm

johnny marr is now playing in modest mouse (no joke, no lie). so thatautomatically disqualifies him.


sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

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Post by ash » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:32 am

Flat Haddock. Err, sorry, Steve Cradock.

And yes, I am well prepared for the shit I am about to cop for suggesting him.
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Post by Flathaddock » Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:22 pm

ash wrote:Flat Haddock. Err, sorry, Steve Cradock.

And yes, I am well prepared for the shit I am about to cop for suggesting him.
If you heard me try and play guitar you'd get more shit than for choosing Steve Cradock, although I have no idea who he is but he is certain to be better than me.

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Post by veep23 » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:03 am

I agree that TONE is the thing.For me, I don't care how quickly u can play a scale and if u start with the high note wheedlie wheedlie weeee guitar jack off then i have to turn u off. It's what notes you play... not how many. I love going to the guitar store to mess around on the gear. I can guarantee that I'll be the only one strumming chords while everyone else is setting fire to the fretboards. Of course maybe if i could rip a C# chromatic scale in half i would... but it would stil sound like shit to me.

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Post by duppyconquerer » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:49 pm

The Greatest Bass Player In The World, true genius, electronic pioneer, jazz man, friend of Aphex and Bill Bailey lookalike - SQUAREPUSHER.

Tom Jenkinson showing how it should be done...


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Post by twentysixdollars » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:37 pm

Robert Quine. Really sad about him too.

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Post by Shaun » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:01 pm

duppyconquerer wrote:The Greatest Bass Player In The World, true genius, electronic pioneer, jazz man, friend of Aphex and Bill Bailey lookalike - SQUAREPUSHER.

Tom Jenkinson showing how it should be done...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAd3stS85w

Yeah nice enough guy and all but that alone isn't enough proof to convince me.

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Post by rain_dog » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:44 pm

No mention for Nick McCabe yet? His stuff on A Northern Soul is incredible.

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Post by duppyconquerer » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:47 pm

The Jig wrote:
duppyconquerer wrote:The Greatest Bass Player In The World, true genius, electronic pioneer, jazz man, friend of Aphex and Bill Bailey lookalike - SQUAREPUSHER.

Tom Jenkinson showing how it should be done...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAd3stS85w

Yeah nice enough guy and all but that alone isn't enough proof to convince me.
he's good though isn't he?
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Post by bunnyben » Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:42 pm

a beautiful noise wrote:fuck off, they are all pointless.

theres only one true choice.

kevin shields.

leave your scale shredding to the twats done at guitar center.


kevin shields
kevin shields
kevin shields


just in case you missed it

kevin shields.
who?
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Post by Shaun » Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:47 pm

Yeah obviously he is good, very good indeed.

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Post by Shaun » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:34 pm

duppyconquerer wrote:i like him

Good for you, so do i. I am dreaming of what chaos him and Bonzo would of caused on stage or in the studio.

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Post by moop » Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:19 pm

this is just personal preference but...
if we're talking:

1990-93ish - grasshopper! (+jon donahue)
1995->jonny greenwood!
or just whenever he's playing... tom verlaine!

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Post by jadams501 » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:05 pm

NICK MCCABE




John Mayer

(ducks)

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Post by scratch » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:02 am

J.J. CALE

( I haven´t bought or listened to the album JJ just released with the dude mentioned as a big no-no in the title to this thread.. that guy hasn´t sounded good the last 37 years or so.. EC was only good when he was high on acid and tried to copy Hendrix)

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Post by twentysixdollars » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:48 am

More. No order, really. Some carry over. (Neil & Jamerson to the 70s, etc.)

50s - Grant Green.
60s - Jim Hall. Roger McGuinn. Clarence White. Lou Reed. Sterling Morrison. Johnny Echols. Neil Young. Zal Yanovsky (!). Brother Wayne Kramer. Joan Baez. Sneeky Pete.
70s - Quine. Verlaine. Lloyd. Johnny Thunders.
80s - Pierce. Plus, whichever one of the Reids played louder.
90s - McCabe.

Bass.

50s - Paul Chambers. Doug Watkins (died '62). Percy Heath.
60s - Richard Davis. Ron Carter. Jimmy Garrison. Bob Cranshaw (the world's most underrated living musician?). Min....gus? James Jamerson. Chris Hillman. (York and Battin weren't slouches either.) Duck Dunn. Ken Forssi. Sterling Morrison (look it up). Michael Davis (MC5). I'm sure there's more. The one from Buffalo Springfield was pretty awesome when he wasn't in jail. Carol Kaye.
70s - Mostly, see 60s. Richard Hell, I guess.
80s - ??? not really a bass decade. You can't even hear bass on the fucking CDs. Who was selling records then - Mark King? Christ.
90s - Simon Jones. Not Will Carruthers.

Whaddya want next? Tenors?

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Post by Samuel » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:35 pm

John Reis and Rick Froberg, in any incarnation or combination. Absolutely fucking ridiculously fantastic.

Omar Rodriguez (At The Drive-In era, when he was progressive without being boring as fuck).

The guy from Dead Meadow (not sure of his name).

John Dwyer (Coachwhips). Pure dumb genius.

Oh yeah and whoever said Don Devore, good call. The last Ink & Dagger album is fantastic.

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Post by radioshack » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:05 pm

Nick McCabe, without doubt.

-Sounded different on every record
-Never sounded bored or out of ideas
-Genius use of effects-his guitar never sounded 'watery' or fake
-Never played any song exactly the same-listening to him play live is always a new experience
-Turned Urban Hymns and most of Ashcroft songs into gold (don't care what Ashcroft says, he's lost without McCabe)
-Never went 'cock-rock', despite being in a million-selling band
-One of the few lead guitarists in living memory who leaves behind an untarnished record of greatness.

Trying to convey why and how much you like your favourite guitarist never comes out right. But McCabe is definitely untouchable.

Honorary second place for Mick Ronson, just for his lead playing on Starman.

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Post by ohh » Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:03 pm

Caspar Brotzmann! amazing

also Christian Fennesz.

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Post by moop » Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:56 pm

i very nearly mentioned the guy from dead meadow too.. but then i started wondering which guy in particular.

to be honest it's all about how well the drums, guitar and bass work together. hearing them live is just out of this world...

the bassist in particular just seems to get so caught up in the groove that he's playing - check out 'beyond the fields we know' on their self-titled lp.. it's just amazing! in fact just get that album, you won't regret it. :)

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Post by scratch » Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:05 am

radioshack wrote:(don't care what Ashcroft says, he's lost without McCabe)
true that.. it really shows that he added stuff afterwards instead of writing from scratch on that reunion album when ppl started buying their records.

UH= BAH (bleh)

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Post by moop » Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:51 am

i still really wanna hear the supposedly 'dark' version of urban hymns that someone mentioned on here......er, AGES ago. i reckons that'd be ace.

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Post by jpbowman » Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:54 pm

radioshack wrote:Nick McCabe, without doubt.

-Sounded different on every record
-Never sounded bored or out of ideas
-Genius use of effects-his guitar never sounded 'watery' or fake
-Never played any song exactly the same-listening to him play live is always a new experience
-Turned Urban Hymns and most of Ashcroft songs into gold (don't care what Ashcroft says, he's lost without McCabe)
-Never went 'cock-rock', despite being in a million-selling band
-One of the few lead guitarists in living memory who leaves behind an untarnished record of greatness.

Trying to convey why and how much you like your favourite guitarist never comes out right. But McCabe is definitely untouchable.

Honorary second place for Mick Ronson, just for his lead playing on Starman.
I'd have to agree with that radioshack, some nice clips on YouTube with just Ashcoft + McCabe....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq8bqvKQ9qc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtJdRBi4s-E

While searching these links have just noticed theres a load of songs from their haigh Hall gig!! I'll have to watch those later :):)
http://www.thegoldentroubadours.co.uk/
Dreamlike acoustic band from Nottingham with shades of flamenco, soul, folk and blues.

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Post by jb » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:15 pm

As a combination has to be Verlaine and Lloyd...

Seeing them play Call Mr Lee live last night was insane...Patti Smith's band were totally lumpen in comparison.

Other current favourites include Jeff Tweedy (his playing on the last Wilco album is great)

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Post by scratch » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:41 pm

jb wrote:As a combination has to be Verlaine and Lloyd...

Seeing them play Call Mr Lee live last night was insane...
I bought that reunion album first.. and the other two after - I still think it´s better than Adventure.

MTV made me buy my first Television album! :lol:

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Post by alan_cohaul » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:08 am

Hmm....there's so many. Of what style? I have different influences for different styles. These are some good general ones:

-James Williamson/ Ron Asheton
-Marc Bolan
--Chuck Berry
-Angus Young
-Cheetah Chrome
-Mark Knopfler
-Johnny Hickman
-Greg Hetson
-Hendrix
-Jeff Beck
-The Hellacopters (Nicke, Strings and Dregen)

And though I agree with the Clapton bashing, this will sound funny: I was listening to a heavy blues psych album by Martha Velez, called "Fiends And Angels" from 1969, and the lead guitar player was amazing. Didn't know who he was. The tone was fuzzed out, heavy, and mind blowing. Turns out it was Eric Clapton (wasn't listed in the liners), and this stuff was miles better than the Cream stuff, even. I don't know who convinced him to set his fuzz pedals to "hell", or to play that fast and heavy, but if he'd stayed like that, he wouldn't be known as the king of watered down blues rock. I strongly recommend that people check out the track "I'm Gonna Leave You"....it's like an entirely different guy.

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Post by jamesj1986 » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:32 pm

Samuel wrote:John Reis and Rick Froberg, in any incarnation or combination. Absolutely fucking ridiculously fantastic.

Omar Rodriguez (At The Drive-In era, when he was progressive without being boring as fuck).

The guy from Dead Meadow (not sure of his name).

John Dwyer (Coachwhips). Pure dumb genius.

Oh yeah and whoever said Don Devore, good call. The last Ink & Dagger album is fantastic.
I always preferred Drive Like Jehu to Hot Snakes, but you can't go wrong with either.

I think the guy from Dead Meadow is called Jason Simon.

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Post by anorthernsoul » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:46 pm

i still really wanna hear the supposedly 'dark' version of urban hymns that someone mentioned on here......er, AGES ago. i reckons that'd be ace.
i think you mean a northern soul; there's meant to be an earlier/'mccabe' mix which was amazing, really heavy, and was heard by various musicians, like jason. i'm not quite sure where such reports originated, it'd be interesting to hear though. i've gone off the verve entirely but a less ashcrofty/jim morrison-y style of lp would be interesting.

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Post by Richard » Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:53 pm

Fuck me..........with out a doubt-Stevie Ray Vaughan, no competition !
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Post by alan_cohaul » Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:56 pm

Another vote for Reis/ Froberg here. I like the Hot Snakes. But I LOVE Rocket From The Crypt, and Reis is one of my guitar heroes.

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Post by jamesj1986 » Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:01 am

Richard wrote:Fuck me..........with out a doubt-Stevie Ray Vaughan, no competition !
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Post by natty » Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:04 pm

Link Wray is pretty cool.

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Post by spzretent » Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:17 pm

anorthernsoul wrote: i think you mean a northern soul; there's meant to be an earlier/'mccabe' mix which was amazing, really heavy, and was heard by various musicians, like jason. i'm not quite sure where such reports originated, it'd be interesting to hear though.

It is A Northern Soul that has a heavier mix. Maybe there is an Urban Hymns alt mix too.
Jason actaully told me about the ANS mix. That is the only place I ever heard about it.
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Post by scratch » Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:45 pm

There are earlier versions of some urban hymns floating around, but they don´t have mccabe on them at all so I never bothered...

not different mixes but different recordings/demoes of course

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Post by bunnyben » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:25 pm

scratch wrote:There are earlier versions of some urban hymns floating around, but they don´t have mccabe on them at all so I never bothered...

not different mixes but different recordings/demoes of course

there's an urban demo cd with demos (obviously) and also unreleased tracks and tracks that would later apear on solo albums, it's not bad, i have it around somewhere...
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Post by toomilk » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:57 am

I have a few of them. They are really amazing. It shows all the potential that the Ashcroft solo songs had. It's a shame they never were fully developed.

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Post by Shaun » Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:20 am

David Gilmour.

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Post by ash » Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:24 am

The Jig wrote:David Gilmour.
Thirded. Proved that you don't have to play at a million miles an hour to be a virtuoso. And that solo DVD he put out a couple of years ago is just magic...
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