Substance : Inside New Order

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Substance : Inside New Order

Postby spacemanrich » Fri May 12, 2017 5:30 pm

This one is a big one, clocking in at 700 odd pages. On page 200 or so and it's a good one. Autobiography by 'Hooky' i.e. - Peter Hook about his experiences in New Order. Some of the material was culled from his previous book, " Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures ". Every other page or so he states, " Barney is a twat ". Got some hilarious stuff about their touring days, hijinks, etc. I've also got coming soon Barney's autobiography, " Chapter and Verse : New Order, Joy Division and Me " and he'll probably say that Hooky is a twat too ....
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby a beautiful shonn » Fri May 12, 2017 8:59 pm

ha! I just finished Chapter & Verse, not much twat calling going on. I really didn't expect that from Barney.it's a decent read, not too much that I didn't already know.

i'd be curious to read Substance but i have a bit of an issue with Hooky, and at 700 pages that's a bit of a commitment. report back when you finish maybe i will be tempted by your review.
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby TheWarmth » Thu May 18, 2017 4:52 pm

I'm reading Substance now. I don't know much about New Order, so I'm educating myself with the music while reading the book, which so far I have enjoyed. I don't think I'll wind up being a huge NO fan, based on what I've listened to, but that's alright. The book is pretty well written and easy to read. Hook doesn't hesitate to expound on how ground-breaking the band were and certainly doesn't lack any sense of self-importance, but I suppose that's not surprising.
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby mojo filters » Thu May 18, 2017 7:24 pm

Does Barney attempt to explain why his potentially valuable opportunity to collaborate with a post-Smiths Johnny Marr in Electronic - turned out to be so pedestrian?
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby spzretent » Thu May 18, 2017 10:30 pm

Post Brotherhood much of what New Order released was pretty pedestrian. Maybe he ran out of ideas.
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby Shinesalight » Fri May 19, 2017 8:17 pm

spzretent wrote:Post Brotherhood much of what New Order released was pretty pedestrian. Maybe he ran out of ideas.


Seriously? Technique is a great album.
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby niamhm » Fri May 19, 2017 8:40 pm

All down to opinions but I think Electronics Getting Away With It and NO`s Touched By The Hand Of God are two of the finest singles of the whole decade, Technique is a great album and Republic , first side is as good as any side of music NO ever made, also some pretty pedestrian NO stuff before Brotherhood, Shellshock anybody? State Of The Nation and Confusion off the top of my head weren`t pulling up any trees either, going to have to listen to Lowlife later now.
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby spacemanrich » Fri May 19, 2017 8:45 pm

TheWarmth, really never warmed (no pun intended) up to New Order ? WHAT !?

I, agree w/ ShineALight, Technique was the last great New Order album. Lowlife, Brotherhood, Power, Corruption&Lies, Movement are all classic in their own right. After Technique, I would like maybe 1-3 songs from their albums going forward. Don't mention the last album. I should have listened to some of you guys and not purchased it. It was shite.

Starting Barney's book. I'll talk and compare the two books by Barney & Hooky after I finish reading it. Hooky's novel was way toooo long and was a bit boring.

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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby niamhm » Fri May 19, 2017 8:58 pm

Hahaha, I enjoyed the last NO album for what it was, although I`m not really sure I truly class it as a NO album, :D
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby spacemanrich » Mon May 22, 2017 2:46 pm

Finished Barney's book and out of the two I liked his the best. I think both books were written and/or came out about the same time. His book was about 320 pages long whereas Hooky's book clocked in at over 700+ pages. Barney's book was concise, well written and good detail in certain chapters, esp. his upbringing in Manchester. Briefly mentioned the partying/drugs/drink, etc, but didn't dwell into the detail that Hooky did. Not one 'twat' was thrown at Hooky, but just explained the outbursts, creative differences between the two men. Hooky's book was bloated (just like the man). I kinda know the rock n' roll lifestyle and so you don't really have to mention the shagging/drinking/drugging EVERY damm chapter, because it gets a bit boring * yawn *. Also, yes you did mention that Barney is a twat, but you also don't have to mention it every chapter as well. Hooky's book if your going to write that much in detail why not mention more about the other label mates ? I like a bit more information about A Certain Ratio, Section 25, Vini Reilly (Durutti Column), Happy Monday's, etc. Both the ghost of Ian feature prominently in both books.
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby a beautiful shonn » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:28 pm

nice review, thanks! I think one New Order bio will be enough! I figured Hooky's book would be exactly how you described it...BLOATED.

just finished: Suicide: Dream Baby Dream. highly recommend, so much I don't think anybody knew about them is in these pages. everything I have read from Kris Needs is extremely detailed and well studied.

just started: Please Kill Me - the uncensored oral history of punk. the first chapter is all about V/U, worth the price alone!
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby davedecay » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:13 pm

Please Kill Me is a great read!
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Re: Substance : Inside New Order

Postby a beautiful shonn » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:08 am

yeah Please Kill Me was a great read indeed, I wanted to save it for our trip to Europe but the way my friend described it I just caved in and finished it off. highly recommend it, in fact I've read quite a bit on the Velvets/Iggy/Patti and they managed in a few chapters to "lay more down" than most bios do in 300-400 pages. can't wait to find my own copy to lend out to someone else!
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