Spiritualized 1998-6-26 Roskilde Festival (FM Broadcast)

Starfish · Post by **Starfish** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:40 am

Cool, can't wait. I'll be giving these a go when I get home from work.
Cheers Multi

Fuzzhead · Post by **Fuzzhead** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:30 pm

What a nice treat on a cold Tuesday night.

Thanks a lot, Multi. Downloading the 2 shows right now.

Starfish · Post by **Starfish** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:57 pm

I really like the version of LAGWAFIS.. got me realising that I don't think I ever heard them play it that often.

And you can hear the (British) National Anthem in the middle of the Cop Shoop Cop noise quiet clearly.

Fuzzhead · Post by **Fuzzhead** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:04 pm

I've had to give up trying to download the Roskilde gig. It was taking an eternity. About 6 hours left to go after only downloading 7%!

Tried it twice - same second time.

The other show was no problem. Haven't listened yet.

Multi · Post by **Multi** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:26 pm

Fuzzhead · Post by **Fuzzhead** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:58 pm

Multi, you've convinced me to have another go.

Glad I did - it's in the middle of downloading now at a far faster speed. Should be finished in about 30 mins.

I dread to think how slow it would be on dial-up.

appledelphy · Post by **appledelphy** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:13 pm

.. the guy in the front passing around a bag of wine and screaming like a little girl was me..

people just smiled when I poured red wine over their clothes!

damn it might even be me shouting "medication" at the beginning of lagwafis..

I think I have this somewhere.
If anyone finds the 93 gig then puuhleeease pm me.

davedecay · Post by **davedecay** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:23 am

grabbing this now, thanks!

(is there a lossless (WAV/SHN/FLAC) source for this also?

Shinesalight · Post by **Shinesalight** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:43 am

Have clicked on the link but how do I download the stuff...there doesn't seem to be any options to do it???? Also, 've noticed loads of people on here talking about a lossless or FLAC format...what does this mean?? If somebody does respond to my stupidity please can they answer in plain English rather than computer-speak which I really can't get my head round. Cheers...

clewsr · Post by **clewsr** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:31 pm

mp3's and other formats like that use compression to make the fsound files small and easy to move around. Apparently the bits that are compressed you shouldnt be able to hear anyway, but lots of people who are well into their audio quite rightly sniff at these compressed formats.

Plus if you are making a recording of a live performance that might already not be perfect, why do you want to degrade it further by compressing it.

This is where lossless formats come in - lossless meaning no loss of audio quality, flac format is one, as is ogg vorbis. I tunes has its own lossless format too.

dbpower amp will let you convert between formats.

Its interesting to Note that Digital radio, which has been advertised as having superb audio quality in comparrison to FM, is normally broadcast at 128 bits, which is way low. I'd never import mp3s at that rate. I think only radio 3 is braodcast at a sensible bit rate.

there you go. hopefully that didn't confuse matters.

Starfish · Post by **Starfish** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:40 pm

once you've clicked on the link, there's a countdown box in the top right hand corner that tells you to "wait 40 seconds to download" ...
Once it reaches 00, it'll say "click here to download".... and away you go.

Shinesalight · Post by **Shinesalight** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:51 pm

Cheers Clewsr/Starfish. I saw that box ticking down but it then became hidden by an advert which I didn't realise you could close down (doh!). However, I then clicked on the link and got a message saying "download limit exceeded" even though I've never been on this site before? It then brought up a page talking about ports, proxys and various other nonsense that I really don't understand (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=692WFLJ3) as well as an advert for meeting other passionate people in Hove (now that I DO understand!). Shall I give up now (with the computer stuff NOT the passionate women) or is there any future for me?!

Starfish · Post by **Starfish** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:12 pm

your download limit may be something to do with your broadband provider, rather than the site.

Meo · Post by **Meo** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:06 pm

Ads

sounds like your struggling mate! should all else fail i'll be happy to post you a copy - let me know how you get on.

ro · Post by ro » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:07 pm

Ads- it's all greek to me, too, but i've managed to download it, now all i need is to "install a stuffit engine in my system folder" before i can hear it. whatever that means. so, if i ever figure it out, i will make you a copy!

thanks multi- for posting this.
can't wait to hear LAGWAFIS live.

davedecay · Post by **davedecay** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:33 am

a WAV (or AIFF) file is pure CD quality, and 80 minutes of them add up to about 700 MB, the size of a CDR.

FLAC (free lossless audio codec), SHN (shorten) and APE (monkey's audio) were developed for internet trading, since they reduce the file size by about half, so the example above would be around 350 MB.

SHN compresses less than FLAC, which compresses less than APE. not siginficant amounts, but there it is.

Shinesalight · Post by **Shinesalight** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:35 am

I've got a pretty old computer (Windows 1998) & a Creative Zen MP3 player so tend to use MP3, WMA & WAV files (I think?!). I certainly don't consider myself to be an audiophile and I think the sound quality on these seems to be ok (though having nothing else to compare it to I guess I'm none the wiser really). I really don't have a clue when it comes to bit-rates etc. but guess the higher the bit-rate the better the quality, but the less tracks I can fit on my MP3 player...is that right? What is a decent bit-rate anyway? Maybe the computer experts on the board should set up a course for the computer idiots like myself?!

davedecay · Post by **davedecay** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:26 pm

Ads wrote:I've got a pretty old computer (Windows 1998) & a Creative Zen MP3 player so tend to use MP3, WMA & WAV files (I think?!). I certainly don't consider myself to be an audiophile and I think the sound quality on these seems to be ok (though having nothing else to compare it to I guess I'm none the wiser really). I really don't have a clue when it comes to bit-rates etc. but guess the higher the bit-rate the better the quality, but the less tracks I can fit on my MP3 player...is that right? What is a decent bit-rate anyway? Maybe the computer experts on the board should set up a course for the computer idiots like myself?!

I'm not an audiophile, either. The sound quality is good, just listening on my laptop at work now. 192kbps (which these files are done at) is a good balance of file size and quality. It's now the minimum I like to use. 160 used to be OK, but I noticed more bad highs and washed out sound. If it's something I really want to hear better, I use 256kbps.

You are right about higher bitrate=higher quality, and subsequently larger file size. Older MP3 players have limited storage capacity, so you have to find out what still sounds good to *your* ears on *your* gear.

A couple starter links for you if you're inclined to read up:
http://www.mp3-faq.org/tips/encoders.html
http://webhome.idirect.com/~nuzhathl/mp3-faq.html

ro · Post by ro » Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:22 pm

Ads wrote:... Maybe the computer experts on the board should set up a course for the computer idiots like myself?!

ha, can i enroll please? i have 0S9 which is a like a dinosaur already, huh? and my cluelessness doesn't help any.
plus i keep reading roskilde as rockslide

Supervim · Post by **Supervim** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:23 pm

Just downloaded it now - took about 1hr 20min. Sounds pretty damn fine

gersey · Post by **gersey** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:05 pm

Cheers multi, good stuff! Took me a while to figure out how to download the yoke, but eventually got it by following Ads' posts!

gersey · Post by **gersey** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:20 pm

Sound quality on this is excellent! The singin on 'lord can you hear me' is nearly the best iv ever heard jason do. I wish theyd do that really fast bit at the end of come together on the RAH album alot more, that's about 3 live versions iv heard without it.
Does anyone know another live version of LAGWAFIS, it kinda follows the album version of the song more closely than the rocksilde version here? Its more vocal-based with just jason and the choir for most of it. Iv heard it once before, possibly from a link on this msg board a good few years ago. It must be really hard to sing one of those lines when another lad is singin somethin completely different- i was really crap at that row row row ur boat song in school

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:26 am

There is an excellent version of LAGWAFIS from John Peel's Meltdown festival (1997 I think) with a full choir, and featuring the offending 'I can't help falling in love with you' breakdown in the middle.

I cannot convey how hair-raisingly beautiful it is to hear the chior singing this Elvis breakdown, and the crowd roaring their appreciation as they realise what they're hearing. You'll just have to hear it for yourself.

I had the good luck to meet and speak with Jason two years ago. When I told him about this recording, he said the only thing he remembered about it was that it "sounded crap". i respectfully disagreed...

If you're on soulseek, dial me up, username goldberg76, and dowload this show.

cheers, daniel

twinside · Post by **twinside** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:33 am

ps that was me

daniel x

angelsighs · Post by **angelsighs** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:36 pm

I second the appreciation for the meltdown version of ladies and gents.. its one of the most radiantly beautiful things ive heard in my life, and the sound for a bootleg is pristine.

You must beg steal or borrow that whole gig - the only downer in my opinion is an overly busy and elongated Lord can you hear me, but apart from that its everything RAH should of been

davedecay · Post by **davedecay** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:14 pm

twinside wrote:ps that was me

daniel x

daniel,
i'm adding you to my 'friends' list on SS. i don't run it all the time.

Shinesalight · Post by **Shinesalight** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:54 pm

Daniel, I couldn't see the Meltdown gig in your files on Soulseek...am I looking in the right place?

twinside · Post by **twinside** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:21 pm

hey Ads

i have 2 sets of spiritualized files - the first is just "spiritualized", the second is spiritualized with the R in a circle (y'know, the registered trademark symbol we all know and love). the meltdown gig is in the latter. message me on soulseek when you're on and i'll add u to my friends list and bump u up to the front of my queue,

see ya, daniel x

simonkeeping · Post by **simonkeeping** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:46 am

cheers dude that sounds amazing. LAGWAFIS live! Genius. Didnt know it existed. And Electricity is pure madness.
nice one

veep23 · Post by **veep23** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:44 am

is there anyway on earth someone could put either/both the Roskildde or the Meltdown(especially) onto rapidshare? for the life of me I can't get this "megaupload" to work. maybe it is the crappy connection in Thailand. you could also always do the flac thing over at Archive.org! that would be nice. I'm surprised there isn't any spz over there.

davedecay · Post by **davedecay** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:55 am

someone from SPZ needs to authorize the files to be at archive.org. King from the Butthole Surfers contacted them to allow their live recordings to be shared.

veep23 · Post by **veep23** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:28 am

Wow... that would be great if they say yes. I never knew the differnece between FLAC and mp3 till I went there and dl'd some stuff. There is a BIG difference!

Shinesalight · Post by **Shinesalight** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:07 am

couldn't they somehow incorporate something on this board where we could download live stuff? (well those of us who know what we're doing - i.e. not me). Was this ever suggested when Ben was looking for ideas for the new site?