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Today a small number of obviously well trained Jihadist Terrorists killed 12 people at a Staff Meeting of a popular Parisian Paper; they left evidence of very well controlled fire groupings by Fully Automatic weapons, their calm demeanor and well planned entrance and escape into an area of Arabic Housing showed them to be Professional in their activities; although one woman in the building claims to have heard the Terrorists say they were affiliated with Al-Quaeda, it was reported by many present, that the killers shouted "God is Great" in Arabic as they killed their victims, including one man who lay wounded and helpless on the sidewalk as the Terrorists calmly left the scene.
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JE SUIS CHARLIE
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They are worse than animals. They are sub-human cavemen, narrow-minded and willing to kill to defend a pedophile 'prophet'.
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Obviously you can think what you like, but this isn't the fucking Stormfront forum you know.

In fact, I have no idea what the point of this thread is other than to incur a bit of '2 Minute Hate'.

There's quite enough hate in the world as it is. Back to your 50c records please.
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I have seen many images that I thought were in bad taste, and even a few I found offensive;
BUT NEVER HAVE I SEEN AN IMAGE THAT MADE ME WANT TO KILL SOMEONE FOR! I cannot imagine such an image. This may be for many reasons, and partly since I am an American; I grew up having learned the Beauty of the Constitution of the USA; and the Declaration of Independence, where "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" are Cornerstones of a place which is also an Idea. It is clear WHY we have the Constitutional Amendments; and why The 1st and 2nd Amendments ARE first and second.

Never will I hide my opinions because I am at odds with those in "control" at any level, nor will I be silent about some overbearing yahoo; but to plan and carry out assassinations of someone because I disagreed with there point of view is absurd. If there are those who wish to live in the 5th Century, Great; but they should not be confused that I will ever feel obliged to join their ranks, to devolve into easy beheadings and raping young girls and women tied to trees for "my use for my god". No thank you.

I was Very Pleased to see Cartoonists and Political Cartoonists stand with those who drew some artwork that I didn't find so great, but I have heard terrible comments about some artworks I have on my OWN walls; from
a Dali oil to Originals from "Raw Graphix Magazine"; but NEVER would I think a sane person wish me dead for my taste in art or in satire.

Unfortunately, too many Governments and leaders seem confused as what to do; the two remaining Al-Quaeda brothers from Yemen who perpetrated this massacre should be dealt with. ISIL in the Middle East were foolishly ALLOWED to grow and become powerful for an unbelievable period of time. Now look at what we must deal with. It did not have to happen this way. You may not know that several Intelligence Specialists, at the behest of the POTUS, they ALL tried to convince the POTUS that Islamist Terrorism was the next great wave against Democracy and Peace; because of their lack of "political correctness", they were fired. Know your enemy is as old as Ancient Chinese Texts on War, or to be found in the writings of Great Thinkers throughout History. Seems very Obvious. Thinking a problem like these Terrorists away will not work; and is not working.

I am so tired of "Political Correctness"; it stifles free thought, and helps control the masses by giving a feeling of guilt. Reality is very often a terribly ugly thing; giving an ugly thing a pretty name fools the fools who are afraid of talking or dealing with that ugly thing for what it really is.

I hope that the ridiculous comments of the NY Times and various politicians who close their minds to the ugly things that seem to love death more than life, and those who find solice in blaming the artists and comedians are as retrograde and nearly as dangerous as these 5th Century Islamist Terrorists who have the rewards of Death in their view.

There are roughly 80,000 in France and associated Countries LOOKING THIS MOMENT for these 2 Terrorists who killed over cartoons of possibly questionable taste. I hope they find them tout suite.
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This whole thing is utter nonsense...
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Nice dig.
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Ahh good, it's all resolved itself in time for some rioting tonight...
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The murders of at least 12 people who were killed because they wrote and produced a satirical magazine; people who were adamant about the importance of a free press and the concept of Free Speech; along with at least 4 others who were killed as hostages yesterday, and still 4 more very badly injured, All because of apparently 3 known Jihadi Terrorists from, or associated with Yemini Al-Quaeda seems far more sobering, especially when you see the bloodbath inside that Charlie Hebdo building where the paper was created; "nonsense" may be your take on an attack that wished to kill more than people - but to kill an Idea of a Free Press in a Democracy is something that cannot be allowed; I am VERY pleased that the paper of 60,000 circulation will try to print 1 million copies today, to give in to this carnage would have been exactly the wrong thing to do. To submit would have been a great weakness and incited more of the same; but somehow "nonsense" seems flippant when the totality of the event is considered; but that is my opinion. The response by the French to push back and let it be known that in a Democracy, people have the right to voice their opinions, the Totalitarian nature demanded by these and other Terrorists is not an option with Free Peoples who want to STAY Free Peoples.

I have seen some of these "cartoons", and they are satirical and biting, even terribly crude in my mind; but images drawn on paper make a poor reason for the systematic massacre of those who created them, at least in any Free Society.

By the way, I started this thread when I saw "as it happened" an event which surely must be anthithetical to the open thought and presentation of Ideas I would think those on this SITE would hold dear; I am not familiar with "x minutes of Hate", but that aspect never entered my mind; only the attack on a concept CENTRAL to a Free Society and the same concept that makes this SITE and others possible.
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Oh FFS read between the lines semi please

It's a charade

The very fact that you believe you or we are free is more absurd than thinking the ideology behind this happening was to somehow stifle free opinion

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Stuart, what on Earth are you talking about?
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Well Stuart, that is certainly an interesting view. Why DID the event occur? What is your explanation of THAT particular Paper being the target of a bloody massacre? This is not an isolated event, but I'm certain with your acumen you are well versed in these events; Please do share your insights and experience.
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To be fair, "Freedom" is a relative term. I notice that as I enter large cities, w/ many people, the rules are certainly more plentiful than where I live. Of course, a visit to China to collect a special plant for use in a University "exchange" program meant that we were under constant armed guard and observation; no GPS or even our own maps were usable to us; there was no chance to speak or have contact w/ ordinary people.
Many years ago, a trip to Bulgaria under the CCCP was literally Red Tape by the kilometer; constant observation by the government agent was just part of the paranoia. Now, we are watched and listened to at home, and it is NOT the America I grew up in; so I do understand how Stuart can argue our own lack of Freedom, and too many rules.

However, I cannot fathom his "analysis" of the Terrorist event and the reasoning behind it, which is like a neon sign.
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I imagine Stuart is positing a false flag attack.
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I don't think its about the event itself

The event itself has been accepted by the world...it's right in front of us on the screen, isn't it!

but Why Paris...why now???

Excercise that mantra and conclude your own thoughts.

I'm afraid I am unable to offer much more as to the real reasoning behind my belief that this is a Psyop. Sadly that would require all the restraints of reasonable thought being lifted.

Again

Why Paris...why now??
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I have some sympathy with that.
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Because there are some people with no capacity for rational thought, who see violence as a reasonable reaction to perceived insults?

Because Paris is where the offices of Charlie Hebdo are?

Why now? Could have been any time. The offices had been firebombed before. They were under police protection in case something like this happened. Not, unfortunately, that it did any good.

Why is any conspiracy theory version of events less likely than the incredibly straightforward and totally plausible narrative that is right in front of us?
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Because for me it's far from straight forward

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I think you need to ease up on the weed Stuart. I've seen some ridiculous conspiracy theories in my time but this blows them out of the water. And your theory is that this and the Paris shootings were all staged? What about all the families of the victims? All actors? My God this would be a fucking mammoth operation and cover up. And the French cartoonists....they're all in it and have been offered new secret identities? How do you even sleep at night if you believe in any of this fucked up shit?
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I enjoy a healthy imagination; but I have more respect for logical thought in an analysis; there is far too much data that suggests your inexplicable "feeling" is nothing more than that. One wonders what brand of aluminum foil you choose to wear upon your head, Stuart, to gather these mystical waves that defy identity. I suppose this make believe approach you choose to use is somehow relieving and preferable for some reasons unknown.

The last time I encountered this "false flag explanation theorem" was from a report on the use of certain psychotropics in explanations and beliefs given by military subjects' responses after an intensive dosage and isolation exercise. There is some resemblance to the foggy nonexplanation I have seen here. Naturally you are entitled to your opinion, whatever that opinion IS; your inability to coherently phrase exactly what you DO believe tells me that a logical analysis has evaded you for whatever reason.

To answer with the type of condescension you do is also very telling; for I had no mantra - you created one for me to ponder while you refrain from specificity on your own accounting; this too is very telling; it reminds me of a mentor I had long ago when studying anatomy before I went to college; he would remark when a novice student came up with some convoluted and unclear answer; "if you see hoof prints outside in the snow, it is far more likely they are horses and not zebras"; that seems a reasonable place to start. But, again, you are entitled to your own view of the world around you.
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I sense a rocking motion unable to be controlled while in his own company. Blatantly, a completely inappropriate youtube link to post on this site.
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Mustard, under the circumstances, the video seems very helpful in understanding the bizarre nature of what Stuart has invoked; tragic as it is, the video fits right in. To remove it would be contrary to what those unfortunate people at Charlie Hebdo were assassinated for. Please just take it for what is, a deranged explanation of another horrific killing. But I do sympathize with your disgust.
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You've all performed as expected
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Normally, "Guessed", I would find it easy to smile at your attempted humor; but it is too early, at least for me. Clever, though.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/20 ... 25392.html
Estimated 3.7 million people joined by dozens of world leaders honour the 17 victims of attacks in the French capital.

In Paris, up 1.6 million took part in Sunday's rally, among them family members of the 12 people killed during the massacre at the Charlie Hebdo weekly, a satirical publication that often published cartoons lampooning revered religious figures.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-de ... e22389678/
As a rule of thumb, satire that punches up is more commend- able than satire that punches down. To attack the powerful is noble; to mock the weak is ignominious. Yet, in the context of France, there’s ambiguity about whether mocking Islam is punching up or down. As a global religion, it is a powerful force, and as worthy of satire as the Catholic church (which Charlie Hebdo often derides, sometimes in the most offensive way possible: One cover re-imagined the Christian trinity as a threesome, with the Holy Spirit sodomizing Jesus, who in turn was sodomizing God.)

But in France itself, Islam is the religion of the marginalized, those who, even if they are born in France, are seen by many of their fellow citizens as forever foreign.

Within the context of French radical secularism and anti-clericalism, making fun of Islam is perfectly acceptable and, indeed, morally necessary: Like all religions, Islam is seen as inherently oppressive, and so mockery is liberating. But this type of no-holds-barred irreverence can be blind to its own role in maintaining atavistic prejudices.
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It seems difficult to me in this case to refer to atavism when the subject does still cling to the very actions of antiquity that were used to satirize them.
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Where was the President of the United States on this Historic Day involving one of our Oldest Allies? Surely "Security" problems will be invoked; but could not another person of some stature and recognizability, and not some relatively unknown Ambassador whom no one will recognize have been sent to represent The United States?
WEAK AS WATER, again, and it is yet another embarrassment of weakness and detachment.
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Hello,
Saw this thread on here a few days ago but had nothing to add. Tonight there's a video from Fox news all over my facebook feed. The commentator, an expert, stated that in the UK there are Muslim areas which are no go for non Muslims. Apparently Birmingham (where i live) is totally Muslim. I was having a chat with my neighbour Mohammed yesterday on my way home from the off license. The subject was Christmas dinner preferences. He likes Turkey whereas i go for duck.
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update
Apparently the expert has apologised and offered to donate to Birmingham charity.
Great stuff all over twitter about it though. sharp foxnewsfacts - some very free speech!
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I have seen and read reports over the years that these "no go zones" are quite real and far more easily demonstrated in France. As I understand it, these "zones" are much newer in the UK, and far smaller and less numerous. It is difficult to totally discount these reports; over the years a number of Jihadists have escaped into known zones, or headed for them before being captured. Surely the ENTIRE City of Birmingham was not so considered a "no go zone"?
(I agree with your friend on the Turkey versus Duck Dinner). :)
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semisynthetic wrote:I have seen and read reports over the years that these "no go zones" are quite real and far more easily demonstrated in France. As I understand it, these "zones" are much newer in the UK, and far smaller and less numerous.
Yeah, Fox News and American media in general are really authoritative on the subject. They probably know all about The Black Country too.

semisynthetic wrote:Surely the ENTIRE City of Birmingham was not so considered a "no go zone"?
Don't understand this question but would like to respond if you can clarify it.
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Sorry for banging on about this but as a Birmingham resident this aspect of the last few days is one that has engaged me.

If i still had access to the resources i suspect it wouldn't take long for me to find you several articles from 1815, 1915 etc from various reputable sources concerning the worrying emergence of 'no go areas'... fill in the blanks in accordance with the political climate/source. The no go area is one of those tropes along with youth out of control which repeats. Its a powerful piece of rhetoric. Long may it continue.
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I am not very familiar with these "no go" in the UK;
and what I meant earlier about the "ENTIRE city" of Birmingham is
Perhaps the reporter or expert or whatever he was meant an AREA WITHIN the
city there was such a place, but not the city en toto.

In France, there are areas so controlled by the residents, that they
do not welcome nor allow the authorities; the "law" is sharia law, and
these areas, where people do not, (or are not allowed to assimilate) into what one would think would be their new country, the Police are met with incredible firepower; and simply leave that area alone; this is likely to change with these latest events and the solidarity of the French people; but that will be up to them. They have been far TOO tolerant for their own good, I think; the "no mans lands" that exist, usually in the poorer areas have been known havens for Jihadist Terrorists for years.
I don't blame you for being annoyed for another "expert" (I like what Laurie Anderson did with "Only an Expert"), anyway, I don't blame you after hearing you live in an area very different than you know yourself!
With some new data coming up, it seems every channel and paper has screwed up; NBC announces these terrorists were
caught hours before they took hostages and yet another terrorist or two became involved; I have had lists sent to me - a very long list! of screw-ups, but I didn't see any other offers to charities!
When I started this thread, I wrote the most basic data I could, because I was certain of SOME changes or corrections, and they still keep coming in.
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I hope this clarifies my poorly worded sentence about Birmingham, Plastic37; I am not a very good writer, but I keep trying!
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What do you mean by "The Black Country", Plastic?
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semisynthetic wrote:What do you mean by "The Black Country", Plastic?
It refers to the pollution from the Industrial Revolution, not the ethnicity of the populace. Not that I am espousing Wikipedia as a definitive resource :wink: , but see for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Country
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plastic37 wrote:update
Apparently the expert has apologised and offered to donate to Birmingham charity.
Great stuff all over twitter about it though. sharp foxnewsfacts - some very free speech!
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Speaking of Murdoch, a nice retort to his idiocy from JK Rowling -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 70899.html
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semisynthetic wrote: In France, there are areas so controlled by the residents, that they
do not welcome nor allow the authorities; the "law" is sharia law, and
these areas, where people do not, (or are not allowed to assimilate) into what one would think would be their new country, the Police are met with incredible firepower; and simply leave that area alone; this is likely to change with these latest events and the solidarity of the French people; but that will be up to them. They have been far TOO tolerant for their own good, I think; the "no mans lands" that exist, usually in the poorer areas have been known havens for Jihadist Terrorists for years.
There have been attempts to create areas within London which are heavily populated by Muslims with Sharia Law as "the law" but this has never been accepted, yet i would not be naive enough to believe that this was not carried out to a certain extent by hard liners in these areas under the noses of UK law. I also believe that we do have some very hardline preachers who are outspoken against Western values that it would be very easy for people to simply disappear into areas where there is sympathetic feeling for the hardliners and where will be plenty of support for those who want to disappear. I keep reminding myself that the vast majority of Muslims in the UK are good and decent people that have no ties to these fucking idiots who seem to think violence is the answer and that the people in these areas are also doing as much as they can to direct impressionable people away from this extremist point of view. If they are turning a blind eye to it or if the are scared to speak out as a result of repurcussions, then this needs to be addressed.

Its a terribly sad state of affairs ultimately.
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Apparently the Egyptian President al Isisi shares a view similar to Murdoch! President Isisi told a large crowd of Imams that they cannot remain silent and they share greatly in the responsibility for Terrorism and events like was seen in Paris. I have the translated speech in this stack someplace, but it would be faster to just find it on the Internet. :D
It was a scathing condemnation by the Egyptian President; I suggest giving it a read. I am hesitant to listen without some skepticism to authors and others who need that additional 15 minutes every now and then; but read the Egyptian piece in its entirety, it was quite a departure from what I usually find. I was surprised and impressed.

Just type in "Egyptian President Speaks" and you'll find his speech - very interesting stuff.
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I must use an IPhone for now, but it would be very nice if someone could copy President Isisi's New Year Speech and his comments regarding his faith and responsibility for actions done in the name of Islam. Very informative,
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im not sure how credible the site is but an interesting and inspiring article nonetheless.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-should ... sm/5424026
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Thanks for the clarification there Semi,
Yes, as crazy as it sounds… The entire city of Birmingham was considered, by an expert on Fox, a no-go zone for non muslims. He said: “And in Britain, it's not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don't go in."

In a much earlier contribution to this thread you said: “I am not familiar with "x minutes of Hate"” That’s very relevant to the Fox News issue.

Its an idea from 1984. The two minutes of hate refers to the process whereby an atrocity prompts an outpouring. The focus of the hate (its targets) are determined by the way the outrage is presented. The hate allows space for action against those presented as perpetrators of the outrage.

The Black Country is an area to the north west of Birmingham so named because of it’s associations with industry/coal mining. It kept popping up in the #foxnewsfacts feed on twitter so it was at the front of my mind.
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All these years in Academia, and I very often feel as dumb as a rock. I DID read 1984 - in 1968! I read all manner of things, and I still love to read; but all too often, it is a book of Physical or Organic Chemistry; while laid flat for months, I read a nice variety of books; IF THEY WERE NOT TOO HEAVY! (Docs Orders). I did read "Brave New World" (again); but I feel very behind; even my degree in Philosophy was subheaded "A Philosophy of Science". The last NON SCIENCE book I read before all this Hospital business was a 1st Ed of "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" by T.E. Lawrence; I read it several times. Beautifully done; Lawrence's love of History shows on the manner the book was bound and the quality of paper used.

Well, I always did wish to read more variety; and even with a fairly nice Library, there are still huge gaping holes in it! While in the Laboratories, I felt some relief by starting in on Shakespeare; who has long impressed me, and I reread favorite sections; but I SHOULD have known the "2 Minutes of Hate"! 1984 is too important a piece that I should have missed out on that reference! Of course, I HAVE learned a great deal; I was reading a stack of papers sent to me on this Paris Event, but before that happened, I was immersed in a book which deals with "Induction of Umpolung in Assymetric Aromatic OrganoMetallicPolymers"; it IS as dry as it sounds, but there was a section on Singlet vs Doublet States; an important synthetic method that is poorly understood; it just works with the generation of very short lived species called CARBENES; and that is one important topic which I have never found a satisfactory reference on until possibly now.

I suppose what I am ranting about is how long I tried to get students and friends to have a better understanding of the nuances of Synthesis or the Sciences and Mathematics; while I myself, although I tried, am guilty of not reading more of the Classics, or rereading them, along with more Modern works of import and interest. But, I will work on this; it is important to me for a number of reasons - including the simple fact that what I know best of "literature" is terribly narrow, but I do not wish to remain so! I find discussion and sharing of Ideas on this site interesting and informative; and it keeps the mind nimble; one can learn on tertiary levels - like read more of what you have and of what you have not - THAT is directed at myself!
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plastic37 wrote:Thanks for the clarification there Semi,
Yes, as crazy as it sounds… The entire city of Birmingham was considered, by an expert on Fox, a no-go zone for non muslims. He said: “And in Britain, it's not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don't go in."
I hope this works:


FFS!

On the bright side, some wag on Twitter said "To be fair, I was forced to read The Kerrang in Birmingham when I was younger", which was a nice play on words given the rock history of the area.
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[quote="Hedspace"]im not sure how credible the site is but an interesting and inspiring article nonetheless.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-should ... sm/5424026[/quote]

It strikes me as yet ANOTHER "blame someone else"; the Islamic Culture was very great - over 1000 years ago; their contribution to Science was great at their peak; including the synthesis of "Aqua Regia", or "The King of Waters", so called because it is STILL one of The very few solutions that dissolves Gold. This was very useful for the extraction and purification of Gold. 2 Parts Nitric Acid (fuming) and 1 part Hydrochloric Acid (36% - the highest concentration possible to make without extraordinary means); these so called "Mineral Acids" were also created by the Arabic people, again, a 1000+ years ago.

Very few people on Earth have not been hurt in some manner by others since time began; but what people do of their own accord should not be blamed on anyone but themselves; I find this "victim" mentality too easy of an out for those really to blame.
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What makes Aqua Regia "work" is a complex solution of gases, NOCl, or Nitrosyl Chloride is the primary compound of importance; it is a Deep Beautiful Orange Color and incredibly corrosive; I used it 'til I retired to clean intricate glassware; yes, I cleaned my own sets of glassware all those years; you would be amazed how "unclean" and "wet" glass is; it was easier to do my "fun" projects while the students worked on other things. :)
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[quote="olan"][quote="plastic37"]Thanks for the clarification there Semi,
Yes, as crazy as it sounds… The entire city of Birmingham was considered, by an expert on Fox, a no-go zone for non muslims. He said: “And in Britain, it's not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don't go.[/quote]

There was a cascade of errors by the media in general; I watched Fox News while this Parisian event was going on, and I saw a very cranky fellow I had never seen on Fox News before being fast and loose with both facts and opinions; I hope, if it was this person, he was visiting and does not return. Sharpton said that the "murderers" had been captured when that was just not even close, and the parent NBC network had long corrected that Mistake; CBS screwed up; w/ so much going on and certain networks wanting to be first rather than correct, it was a frenzy. But I find the error about Birmingham bizarre; I am certainly no authority on England; but Birmingham doesn't strike me as an area of interest in this case. I wish I could share the pages of goofs by the media on this business, but I cannot yet make it to my computer.
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By the way, where I live, "Dark Country" is an idiom which refers to a sort of Tree covered Island within a swampy area
with a thick growth and canopy in the treetops that leaves the woodlands always almost like twilight; such places make wonderful areas to observe a wide variety of wildlife, and a rich hunting ground, with a place to fish all about the perimeter and in the creeks and different sized waterways that intrude. About 100 Acres is barely adequate Dark Country for hunting, of course more is better. :). Interesting, I think, to compare or learn new phrases. When I saw what it meant in the UK, I thought of the story and film of "How Green was my Valley".
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semisynthetic wrote:
Hedspace wrote:im not sure how credible the site is but an interesting and inspiring article nonetheless.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-should ... sm/5424026
...but what people do of their own accord should not be blamed on anyone but themselves.

exactly!
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This kind of sums up the lunacy of no-go Brum perfectly

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olan wrote: On the bright side, some wag on Twitter said "To be fair, I was forced to read The Kerrang in Birmingham when I was younger", which was a nice play on words given the rock history of the area.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Funniest thing i've read in a while.
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sunray wrote:
olan wrote: On the bright side, some wag on Twitter said "To be fair, I was forced to read The Kerrang in Birmingham when I was younger", which was a nice play on words given the rock history of the area.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Funniest thing i've read in a while.
likewise!
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I, on the other hand, read the King James version of The Good Book, being raised a Christian; (when I was, in fact, more inclined to be a Deist, actually). But, for those who prefer the Kerrang, who are we to make jest? :)
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I was a little surprised and pleased that reports of 3 million copies were printed of the Charlie Hebdo, and VERY pleased to hear the comments of a Belgium Mayor, who basically said to people's of all types, but focused on the Muslims entering Europe to "fit in or get the bleep out"! France will continue to launch airstrikes against ISIS, as Germany will ramp up what that nation has contributed to NATO and the fight against these Islamist Terrorists; meanwhile, the President of the USA and all the minions STILL cannot put "Islamist" and "Terrorist" in the same sentence; it is a painful exercise to watch these spokespeople do an elaborate dance for what must be a unfathomable for those in our Military who have to negotiate through this bizarre dance; it makes such bad policy for the good of the Nation and the World to not call these people what they are; perhaps it comes from his childhood; but WHATEVER it is, you must know clearly as possible just who your enemy is to not be destroyed by them; the psychology of this may be interesting, but is dangerous and foolish.
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double standards all over the shop when muslim countries, take Palestine for example, cannot say the same (and get away with it) to the west as the mayors and presidents around Europe (belgium, rotterdam etc) says of theirs: “ if you don’t like freedom , pack your bags and f off”.

also kinda scary to think this outpouring of rage toward the Islamic world will surely incite more hyper violence between “us and them” and the perfect excuse to perpetuate the illegal wars in the middle east and beyond.

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High fives to this guy for pointing out the hiprocrisy -

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01 ... 1421144526

Also, have you seen the picture of all these leaders apparently 'standing in solidarity' with the marchers, but actually all by themselves? Tells quite a story.

On a side note, people in the UK with iplayer may might this worth watching - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis
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clewsr wrote:High fives to this guy for pointing out the hiprocrisy -

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01 ... 1421144526

Also, have you seen the picture of all these leaders apparently 'standing in solidarity' with the marchers, but actually all by themselves? Tells quite a story.

On a side note, people in the UK with iplayer may might this worth watching - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis
Adam Curtis did a 5-minute piece in the middle of Charlie Brooker's end of Year Screenwipe. Theory being that political control is now enhanced by wilfully confusing the populace with ever more contradictory and ridiculous news.
If not seen, it's very worth watching.
I love his stuff
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The list of Hypocrisy above should not be at all surprising; the MAJORITY of those countries listed were Islamic Theocratic Monarchies, Totalitarian regimes, or the more extreme pieces of the former CCCP; whether this was used as "Good Public Relations", or to create some other illusion country by country is not surprising either; I will wait and watch to see if those arm in arm are determined to help or eliminate those who would continue to kill while shouting the common phrase heard before the murders of the Charlie Hebdo staff. The Saudi's, will likely continue to fund in their way those who would kill another simply for being of the "wrong" religion; I do not want an "us and them" world to continue just because I might pray differently; but that I attest to rationale, and not a inherently violent mentality; there is an enormous difference.
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KingHarry wrote:
clewsr wrote:High fives to this guy for pointing out the hiprocrisy -

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01 ... 1421144526

Also, have you seen the picture of all these leaders apparently 'standing in solidarity' with the marchers, but actually all by themselves? Tells quite a story.

On a side note, people in the UK with iplayer may might this worth watching - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis
Adam Curtis did a 5-minute piece in the middle of Charlie Brooker's end of Year Screenwipe. Theory being that political control is now enhanced by wilfully confusing the populace with ever more contradictory and ridiculous news.
If not seen, it's very worth watching.
I love his stuff
Yes I saw that and I could see the truth in it. I'm going to hunt down some more of his films on u tube at some point.
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semisynthetic wrote:The list of Hypocrisy above should not be at all surprising; the MAJORITY of those countries listed were Islamic Theocratic Monarchies, Totalitarian regimes, or the more extreme pieces of the former CCCP; whether this was used as "Good Public Relations", or to create some other illusion country by country is not surprising either; I will wait and watch to see if those arm in arm are determined to help or eliminate those who would continue to kill while shouting the common phrase heard before the murders of the Charlie Hebdo staff. The Saudi's, will likely continue to fund in their way those who would kill another simply for being of the "wrong" religion; I do not want an "us and them" world to continue just because I might pray differently; but that I attest to rationale, and not a inherently violent mentality; there is an enormous difference.
I differ in your reading that Hypocrisy is a speciality of Islamic countries. The west is pretty hot on it too and has / does support many of those same dictatorships

I imagine the Saudi's will probably continue to fund ISIS, I wonder if the US will also? ISIS seem to be the same group US and UK were so keen to arm to topple Assad only a year or so ago. It seemed like such a good idea at the time. :roll:

Also a short but sweet clip of a very candid Hilary Clinton accepting the US prompted the creation of Al-queda in the first place. Not news, but worth remembering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw
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How the USA has fiddled around, the Obama Whitehouse cannot nor are the Departments of Defense or State allowed to refer to "Islamist Extremism", and so on; it creates confusion; why they wish to think this approach is beneficial is beyond me; Psychology and Psychoanalysis is required to tackle this non-approach.

I have no hard feelings at ALL for those of the Islamic Faith; like most religions, there are those passages that are used or misused to do unthinkable things; if you have kept up w/ Boka Haraam, ISIS, a Phillipino group I cannot pronounce or remember w/o looking it up; Al Quaeda and scores more of horrific groups that seem more at home 1000 years or more ago all have one very clear point in common; it is Faschist in nature and design; if you do not agree with their thinking on essentially everything, you must die. For most Muslims I know or have known, Islam or "submission" is a principle of thought; like prayer or God looks favorably upon those who help the weak; look how many centuries the major religions coexisted; I was given an 18th Century Banner in Beautiful Arabic Script which reads "Moses was a Prophet beloved of God"; it Is a beautiful object, and now an antique in every way, the item AND its message; one very old friend who was Muslim and became a Christian told me for him, his father and his father's father, it had been increasingly looked down upon where they lived to even know a Christian or a Jew; where once quotes from the Quoran focused on peace between all who believed in God, there was that "nudge" away to OTHER quotes and passages that make Christians bad and Jews worse; it was not always this way; for centuries there WAS coexistence; now phrases like "first on Saturday and then on Sunday"; the horrific meaning killthd Jews first in Synagogue and the Christians, the NEXT day. As my friend's family saw this change; they left their country and came to the United States. This was over 30 years ago, and I did not know all this until in 2001, when he told me, In tears over the phone after the 9-11 attacks. I keep my religious faith very private, as did he; and the revelation of what he told me was very informative and helped to make sense of things.

I would like nothing more than to have a Peaceful World where we each may enjoy our lives as long as we are here; but if you are up against those who wish to kill you because they do not share that view, and you refuse to succumb to their beliefs, what should be done? It is a most unfortunate reality.
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When I commented on that list, I did not focus JUST on Islamic countries; the point was these countries were Totalitarian; absolute control, and Islamic Theocratic Monarchies are NOT known for their open-mindedness in general; there was a list of Public Relation seekers Hoping to look better; that is why I wrote that I would wait and see who actually DID something to change this reality; to defund NOW such groups as ISIS; to eliminate these people who hate the west, Christianity and Judaism and ANYTHING that disagrees with them. It is easy to stand and pretend you believe one thing while really supporting another; I was pleased to see France and Germany DO SOMETHING to help weaken ISIS instead of just talk. The others will not do this, thus making their hypocrisy all the more clear, as these countries, or many of them, continue to finance Terrorism.
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clewsr wrote:
KingHarry wrote:
clewsr wrote:
On a side note, people in the UK with iplayer may might this worth watching - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis
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nice one clewsr. totally agree, anything by Adam Curtis is well worth checking out.
for those that havent ventured or cant wait until the 25th this doc is a good place to start.

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In the USA, the original and correct role of the Goverent is to protect the USA "from all enemies, foreign and domestic", deliver the mail and a few other functions; bit those who believe the Goverent can do basically everything, have almost got what they wanted. I am hopeful that as people see how inept and wasteful Goverent IS, they will be more inclined to have it return to its original purposes, or at least start to make that turn; the corruption has rarely been so exposed as it is now; the big lie of "it's going to be free" is exposed with each passing new start of the Dodd-Frank bill and the "Affordable Care Act" (so called), and the misuse of executive edicts, several of which having reached the Supreme Court has been ruled illegal; in June, a very important piece of the "ACA" will be decided on by the Supreme Court, one that could undo a law that most people never wanted, one that certainly WAS the result of a belief in an Ideology that surely must look increasingly failed; certainly the last election showed the repudiation of so much government control; of course the True Believers will continue on, convinced that although they may know very little, their egos tell them they must know more than the Citizenry. A few miles from where I am now, the EPA, out of control and out of their minds were battling dust from farmers as they plowed their fields! Since this country, new as it is, had been growing crops, has plowed and generated dust! That is how weird it gets when some know-it-all technocrat who knows nothing about a topic tries to regulate it!

I watched a bit of the film above, and it is nicely produced; but slick videos are not enough or have not enough real detail to move me; I will continue to call and write and make my points clear to my senators and representatives, and hopefully Those who CANNOT EXIST now without Big Brother will learn HOW.
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