Methadone

sickness · Post by **sickness** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:39 pm

has anyone gotten on methadone in the nyc area? please let me know, I need to get on it...or I'm going to be real sick!

assoc. · Post by **assoc.** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:43 am

this is a new low.

DJ Sulkykid · Post by **DJ Sulkykid** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:20 pm

cold turkey is good for the soul

Hedspace · Post by **Hedspace** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:46 pm

theres methadone in his madness

ebbsandflows · Post by **ebbsandflows** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:04 pm

I know it's unpopular in america but maybe try getting on subutex - buprenorphine. Much less nasty all round. Still, either way you got to do the cluck sometime.

Unlucky!

sickness · Post by **sickness** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:39 pm

assoc. wrote:this is a new low.

yeah this is a new low........thanks....i had no idea

sickness · Post by **sickness** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:10 pm

"I know it's unpopular in america but maybe try getting on subutex - buprenorphine. Much less nasty all round. Still, either way you got to do the cluck sometime. "

Have you tried subutex......it sounds better than methadone....but does it really make the pain go away?

ebbsandflows · Post by **ebbsandflows** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:14 pm

it's a part-opiate part-blocker. It WILL take the pain away if the dose is right for your habit. It's a shorter cluck than methadone and if you use after taking it you won't feel it. Much better (imho) if you want to do something about your opiate use.

You'll need to get the right dose though - in america it kinda flopped due to people being prescribed tiny doses and it therefore not working. For a big ish habit look at about 16mg, for less - look at less. And take it properly - under the tongue.

To be honest you'd be far better off going to your local drug agency or opiate friendly doc than scouring these pages. If you want help - get it where it's gonna be best given. Not from strangers on the net eh.

Good luck tho.

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:23 pm

Ive found in the past that if you think youre beginning to get a habit try not to get a habit. Unless you live in a convent. Or if you are Elmer fudd.

sickness · Post by **sickness** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:24 pm

thanks for the advice....I am looking into all my options....and I thought what better place for a little advice than the spiritualized forum....I just wanted to talk to people who have gone through this process....before going to see the doc....well thanks again!

sickness · Post by **sickness** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:44 pm

ORBITAL wrote:Ive found in the past that if you think youre beginning to get a habit try not to get a habit. Unless you live in a convent. Or if you are Elmer fudd.

yeah I found that to work in the past as well...although it's like 3 years too late for that now. my in sides are in the Middle of Nowhere.

grrrr73 · Post by **grrrr73** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:28 am

I hope you find the help you need!

DJ Sulkykid · Post by **DJ Sulkykid** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:27 am

don't bother with doctors, councillors, 12 step plans or substitute substances...get set for a maximum 2 week mind and body fuck...do it raw...at the other end you'll find being straight is the biggest buzz you ever felt...honestly...then again I am just a random voice on the internet

simonkeeping · Post by **simonkeeping** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:51 am

Anyone fancy a pint?

DJ Sulkykid · Post by **DJ Sulkykid** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:19 pm

sure, why not ?...

sickness · Post by **sickness** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:23 pm

I would love to do this without any help....just lock myself in my bedroom and ride it out......the only problem is that I have a job to hold down....and I can't afford to be sick for 2 weeks like that.....I need some sort of way to get off the junk that won't make me insane......sick.....cold...hot...sweaty....pissed off....full of pain...etc......plus I'm scared shiatless of the pain cold turkey will involve....I know cold turkey is the best way about it.....losing my job is not an option though.

Post by **BzaInSpace** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:46 pm

DJ Sulky's advice sounds right.

"Take the 'U' out of drugs - what does that leave you with?"

jahman · Post by **jahman** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:10 pm

man, thats the worst advice I've ever heard.
if you have a choice( and a job to hold down), I would recommend coming down slow on Methadone or ORLAAM. the withdrawal from these might last a little longer, but its much less intense than full blown junk sickness. try starting on the lowest dose possible and cutting it down slightly each week. once you reach about 10 mg you can kick it over a long weekend. the 3 rd day is usually the worst, so kick at the end of the week. get some weed, advil, benadryl and valium and you should be allright. just don't plan on sleeping for a while.
good luck you poor bastard.

sickness · Post by **sickness** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:39 pm

thanks...that sounds more my style.....wasn't ORLAAM discontinued in the states?

jahman · Post by **jahman** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:59 pm

it might have been, I 've been off the shit since '99. ORLAAM has a longer half life, so you only have to dose every other day. watch out for the clinics though. they will try to keep you on the program for years if you let them.

stanislav leskie · Post by **stanislav leskie** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:15 am

Pink Floyd · Post by **Pink Floyd** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:49 am

DJ SULKYKID! the voice of fucking REASON!!

Give this man a fucking TV SHOW!

DJ SULKYKID after DR.PHIL and sandwiched between MARTHA!

Teaching the kids how to KICK DOPE! ha ha!!

I like it!

However my advice to you SICKFUCK is to just NOT quit. Let's fucking face it. If you are on HEROIN you have no SELF ESTEEM anyway. You have MIRRORED your idols PIERCE, BOOM, LAYNE STALEY, COBAIN into a LOSER LIFE.

Why not just keep shooting the NEEDLE into your VEINS until you fucking DIE like any self respecting JUNKIE would?

A job?

You cannot be serious?

Who has time for a job when you are NODDING THE FUCK OUT?

QUIT your job! NOW!!!

Your job is to SHOOT HEROIN!

Do you wanna be one of these CLEAN people who eat VEGGIE BURGERS?

And wear LEATHER SANDALS?

LIVE FAST, DIE YOUNG & LEAVE A BEAUTIFUL CORPSE!

Not LIVE SLOW, DIE OLD, and EAT VEGGIE BURGERS.

I think i may fucking puke.

Where is my fucking machine gun?

I can get rid of your COLD TURKEY SICKNESS fucking quick?

Are you in New York?

I'll drive out.

p.s GOODLUCK SICKFUCK!

can you mail me out any HEROIN you got left over?

I ain't ready to go VEGGIE just yet!

Love & Sweat,
Pinky.

sickness · Post by **sickness** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:12 am

[quote="Pink Floyd"]

However my advice to you SICKFUCK is to just NOT quit. Let's fucking face it. If you are on HEROIN you have no SELF ESTEEM anyway. You have MIRRORED your idols PIERCE, BOOM, LAYNE STALEY, COBAIN into a LOSER LIFE.

QUIT your job! NOW!!!

Your job is to SHOOT HEROIN!

Do you wanna be one of these CLEAN people who eat VEGGIE BURGERS?

Where is my fucking machine gun?

I can get rid of your COLD TURKEY SICKNESS fucking quick?

Are you in New York?

I'll drive out.

p.s GOODLUCK SICKFUCK!

can you mail me out any HEROIN you got left over?

thanks pinky....although i started using before i found out about j. spaceman....and i eat lots of meat.....maybe i should get one of those machine guns to raise my self esteem. maybe i can Mirror my life after you.......and like i said before...losing my job is not an option....i'm past the point of nodding out....tolerance is a bitch.....again thanks for the very kind words.....and no i can't mail you out any heroin......seriously i just want to know the best way to go about this....so i can live fast...die young....and actually feel it.......fuck sick it's sickness pinky....comfortably numb?

DJ Sulkykid · Post by **DJ Sulkykid** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:32 am

Mr Floyd having read your comments I must say the idea of my own TV show is very appealling. Do you think it would be possible for you to arrange this with your Hollywood contacts ? I believe I am exactly the remedy your sick country needs, just as you have summised. In fact Mr Floyd I believe I may even have an opening for you if you can stay sober long enough to assume your previously unrealised lifetime goal of becoming my personal valet-parker. I have been impressed by the fact that you are now capable of placing your vehicle in a position which shows good allignment to the sidewalk. Remarkable. Or do you have an assistant ?

I shall instruct Mr. Quimby to forward the particulars.

Yours in a can't be arsed fashion,

DJ Silkykunt

jahman · Post by **jahman** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:16 pm

Muscles wishes he was cool enough to shoot dope.
he had to move to L.A. instead.

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:01 pm

Far too cool for dope. He shoots up a heady mix of his own piss, shit and bile in an attempt to consume the low self esteem thats eating him away inside. But apart from that he's a top bloke

Post by **BzaInSpace** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:42 pm

I like the car with the photoshop numberplate...kind of like those fake pictures of ghosts grafted on to holiday snaps you used to see.

But i'm glad you are still with us...Madonna.

Is it true you used to work for The Priory? So it's your fault these fucking celebs keep relapsing!

What about the Doherty Technique? Fuck up The Worlds 'Biggest' SupermodelTM's life and indeed career....while you pile on the pounds and create the most dismal fuckin' shitey music ever heard....ever...

You also get to 'go' with Elton John, so it can't all be that bad...

BUT sickness, truly, apart from the freaks suggesting various chemicals etc, ('Babylonian Moon Juice' works a treat i hear) this is the worst place to ask for advice on addiction. Everyone here is addicted to something whether it is the Net, porn, rock 'n' roll or just being offensive.

Go and see a doctor...for real

Pink Floyd · Post by **Pink Floyd** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:34 am

Dearest Sickfuck,
John Winston Lennon said COLD TURKEY has got me ON THE RUN!
if yer wanner spend yer life runnin like PETE KEMBER then do it.

I consider it a waste of delicious HEROiN.
I tell you this. If KATE MOSS needs a companion in L.A.
give her me number.

Sulky...yes.

As much as i love driving MURDER VANS.
i will pass.

Nice in L.A lately. CHICKS ON FIRE.

The rest of you retards FUCK OFF!

will this do? · Post by **will this do?** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:30 am

g.spaceman · Post by **g.spaceman** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:47 am

BzaInSpace wrote:What about the Doherty Technique? Fuck up The Worlds 'Biggest' SupermodelTM's life and indeed career....while you pile on the pounds and create the most dismal fuckin' shitey music ever heard....ever...

I reckon fucking Kate Moss would help...but when you're rattling you get so horney you'd probably shag a goat (if you could find one...)

The temegisic method does work but if you can get your hands on some of the fine green juice I recommend a self-medicated rapid reduction; start on 100-200 mls (depending on habit) and exponentially decrease it over about 10 days. That way you avoid the (worse) methadone rattle and get it over and done with, plus as someone mentioned earlier, you'll feel fan-fucking-tastic, though that self-congratulatory high don't last long unfortuantely

If you can't get the juice I'd go for a well regulated rapid gear reduction - get your girlfriend or someone else close to sort that out so you're not tempted.

As for work - a week or two on the pat'n'mick is a small price to pay for sorting these things out, though not sure if US HR-type stuff is the same as over here

In my experience methadone only works (as it's meant to) as a short term thing - however the junkie-whores...sorry, 'drug workers' will put you on a big script for months, if not years, unless you're telling them otherwise as that is basically their job...over here at least...keeping the good folks under

Like I say, I do think the juice works (there's plenty of fuckwit nocternals out there who'll tell you otherwise: ignore them - they ain't the best authorityand there's a reason why they have so much 'experience'!) but don't let the government keep you under by prescribing it for years etc...if you see a drug worker be careful about what they put you on timescale-wise; it's the best way of keeping questioning minds under, so naturally recieved wisdom is to use current prescribing practises and keep folks on it

I thought stuff like diazapam was easier to get hold of over your side of the water? If so get some of the best benzos: oxazapam (gets called siresta over here) and rohypnol (that is by far the best of them all) and just ride the rattle - you'll feel prouder when you come out the other side if you avoid the methadone, temegesics etc, but find the best solution for you.

BTW Spaceman knew what he was talking about when he prophesised things will never be the same...but I assure you you'll feel better for it all the same, though will probably be taking a dump more often for the rest of your life...some things just can't be fixed

Good luck! Let us know how you get on...

ebbsandflows · Post by **ebbsandflows** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:59 am

Hey! We're not all 'junkie whores' you know. . . Just the vast vast majority of us i fear.

Yeah, let us know what's happening, I guess it must really be pinchin by now . . .

will this do? · Post by **will this do?** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:30 pm

g.spaceman wrote:... their job...over here at least...keeping the good folks under... ...the government keep you under by prescribing it for years etc... keeping questioning minds under...

Just because you're paranoid...

g.spaceman · Post by **g.spaceman** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:37 pm

will this do? · Post by **will this do?** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:21 pm

I don't know - I've never considered it...

It MUST be because the government wants to *keep* all the *brilliant minded* people tranquilised/incapacitated, in case they ask too many awkward questions about... I dunno... stuff.

DJ Sulkykid · Post by **DJ Sulkykid** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:44 pm

for fuck sake...pass me the skins we're ALL on the guestlist to heaven

ebbsandflows · Post by **ebbsandflows** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:55 pm

Gov't sponsored programmes have less money, are vastly over subscribed and are severely lacking in training resources and any kind of consistent policy direction. Additionally, the bidding system for contracts means that the cheapest people provide the services rather than the best or most thorough. Hense an emphasis on the relativley staff - low 12 step model (whatever your opinion of it is).

It's like with your local NHS GP. Don't matter what you got - they'll try and prescribe you antibiotics and forget about you. It's not 'cause they want to increase MRSA. it's not because they don't want you better. It's because they don't have the time and money (and time and money for training / alternative care) to provide the scrupulous service i've no doubt most doc's ideally would want to provide.

It's tragic but i've seen services (i'm far away from prescribing myself - thank fuck) where they are so overrun and under staffed that once someone is on a script (i still maintain that subutex is better than methadone) there just isn't the resources for decent aftercare.

Ideally services would be able to create some kind of support that is taylored to the individuals needs. And if you got the money to pay for that, then someone's going to provide it for you. If you don't have the money, your going to get what your given.

I'm not a big fan of conspiricy theories, I generally think they're a way of over simplifyig and washing ones hands of an issue. That's not to say that they're not all true though. Fuck knows! This is just my opinion from experience of state sponsored drug addiction services.

ORBITAL · Post by **ORBITAL** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:14 pm

Oh for fuck sake. This threads enough to put you back on the gear.

will this do? · Post by **will this do?** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:24 pm

ebbsandflows wrote:Gov't sponsored programmes have less money, are vastly over subscribed and are severely lacking in training resources and any kind of consistent policy direction. Additionally, the bidding system for contracts means that the cheapest people provide the services rather than the best or most thorough. Hense an emphasis on the relativley staff - low 12 step model (whatever your opinion of it is).

It's like with your local NHS GP. Don't matter what you got - they'll try and prescribe you antibiotics and forget about you. It's not 'cause they want to increase MRSA. it's not because they don't want you better. It's because they don't have the time and money (and time and money for training / alternative care) to provide the scrupulous service i've no doubt most doc's ideally would want to provide.

It's tragic but i've seen services (i'm far away from prescribing myself - thank fuck) where they are so overrun and under staffed that once someone is on a script (i still maintain that subutex is better than methadone) there just isn't the resources for decent aftercare.

Ideally services would be able to create some kind of support that is taylored to the individuals needs. And if you got the money to pay for that, then someone's going to provide it for you. If you don't have the money, your going to get what your given.

I'm not a big fan of conspiricy theories, I generally think they're a way of over simplifyig and washing ones hands of an issue. That's not to say that they're not all true though. Fuck knows! This is just my opinion from experience of state sponsored drug addiction services.

I guess the real point is that in a democracy (even one as civilised as ours (sic)) there just ain't the will to spend any money on people who are easily cast as their own worst enemy. Lets face it, they don't fund schools and doctors properly - even SOLDIERS have to buy their own kit...

feetsies · Post by **feetsies** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:33 pm

jahman wrote:man, thats the worst advice I've ever heard.
if you have a choice( and a job to hold down), I would recommend coming down slow on Methadone or ORLAAM. the withdrawal from these might last a little longer, but its much less intense than full blown junk sickness. try starting on the lowest dose possible and cutting it down slightly each week. once you reach about 10 mg you can kick it over a long weekend. the 3 rd day is usually the worst, so kick at the end of the week. get some weed, advil, benadryl and valium and you should be allright. just don't plan on sleeping for a while.
good luck you poor bastard.

sounds like the best option.

How did it go, have you kicked?

feetsies · Post by **feetsies** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:36 pm

DJ Sulkykid wrote:for fuck sake...pass me the skins we're ALL on the guestlist to heaven

ahahah, thanks for the laff.

DJ Sulkykid · Post by **DJ Sulkykid** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:30 am

don't thank me...thank Larry Love...it's his line

sickness · Post by **sickness** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:24 pm

i haven't kicked yet......i'm a bit worried......i have no insurance or money....so i'll probably have to go to a methadone clinic.....i'd almost rather stay on the junk....than switch it for methadone.......but something has got to change. she makes me want to die.

feetsies · Post by **feetsies** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:38 pm

sickness wrote:i haven't kicked yet......i'm a bit worried......i have no insurance or money....so i'll probably have to go to a methadone clinic.....i'd almost rather stay on the junk....than switch it for methadone.......but something has got to change. she makes me want to die.

As a social worker (the irony), I say go to the methadone clinic and see what your options are there (here when you go to free-clinics they actually enroll you in medi-cal, which is state funded for low income people and it works on a sliding scale. I hope NY has something similar). If nothing else, you can always opt to not go back. I know why you are here. You want some sort of anon support and some of us are happy to give it. I know I can't talk about drugs with anyone in real life. I will PM you, so look at your messages.

*hugs*
amelia

lular · Post by **lular** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:36 am

Post by **BzaInSpace** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:08 pm

Yo, Army920 - can't deal with what ?

Trying to punt US online casinos - yet another legal addiction, with all the inevitable financial ruin that most likely ensues?

I guess one kind of deal is much like another. That being said....

'CALL!'

will this do? · Post by **will this do?** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:41 am

Why don't you lock the thread, Barry?

a beautiful noise · Post by **a beautiful noise** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:04 pm

ohhhh i fold, i'm staying out of this one.

xx

Post by **BzaInSpace** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:37 pm

I'll raise ye two..

WTD, why would I lock this thread? I asked if anyone had 'issue' with the lockdown of the Best thread to PM me - you certainly didn't.

I felt it [the Best thread] was getting well out of hand and verging on the hysterical. I imagine if it had been left open it would be even worse. Perhaps some out there welcome posters ripping into each other?

And besides, the man is dead.

CALL!

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