RSD rumour...

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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby mc » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:14 pm

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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby runaway » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:15 am

What a shitshow. I'll make it a point to never buy another product associated with this Palmer twat. I was forced to buy a Space Age CD release of Recurring because I broke (?!) my original Fire copy. The different track listing has always bothered me... For some reason I believed that Pete was behind the label - don't know where I got that impression (here?).
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby angelsighs » Tue May 02, 2017 2:30 pm

This just gets weirder and weirder. why would Jason and Peter take down the statement- the only reason I can think of, is that they can't really say anything official until the case goes to court?

and if the allegations are true how can Gerald Palmer keep spouting such lies?
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby Laz69 » Tue May 02, 2017 5:10 pm

I would be looking for some sort of proof that he has the rights to the Spacemen 3 back catalogue "for life" as he so claims.

If its been a case of bad decisions by the band back in the day and they have signed away their material "for life" then that should be easy enough to prove, however, i HATE the idea that this prick thinks he IS Spacemen 3. Its wrong on so many levels. If he is unable to provide proof then i think the band taking him to court is perfectly valid and justifiable.

Its not about the reissues being illigitimate, but about them being sub-standard, poor quality cash ins. £80 for three 12"s for last years RSD? Nah... doesn't sound like a cash in at all! Disgraceful behaviour.
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby sm-iom » Tue May 02, 2017 5:34 pm

Pete Bassman's web page carries a recent apology which seems to be for slagging off Palmer. It may be that he throws out libel writ threats, and J and Sonic may have had one - easier to back down on their statement than try to fight that as well?
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby mh » Tue May 02, 2017 9:47 pm

Reading between the lines it's possible that Sonic & Jason may have taken legal advice that public slagging would weaken their case.
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby mojo filters » Fri May 05, 2017 8:18 pm

runaway wrote:What a shitshow. I'll make it a point to never buy another product associated with this Palmer twat. I was forced to buy a Space Age CD release of Recurring because I broke (?!) my original Fire copy. The different track listing has always bothered me... For some reason I believed that Pete was behind the label - don't know where I got that impression (here?).


I'm embarrassed to ask (as I normally have an unhealthily long and geekish memory for such trivia) but what are the differences in tracklisting, between the original(s) and Space Age CD versions of Recurring?

I'm in the middle of a traumatic decorating process. Just when I thought it couldn't be worse than having my collection of music, my composing materials, all my instruments, and various analogue and digital recording devices - all spread across various places: I've been forced to quickly consolidate everything I own in one place, and hurriedly put it all into short-term storage!

Hence I don't have my own copy of the CD to hand, but I don't recall there being a difference between that album's tracklisting, and the various CDs and vinyl pressings owned by friends with more comprehensive Spacemen 3 collections.

My own Spacemen 3 collection is a mix of new Space Age CDs (mostly bought from PK) and knackered cheap 2nd hand eBay bargains. Apart from the obvious improvements provided by all the hard work done to produce Forged Prescriptions, I've never noticed any sonic differences between the Space Age products and the much older CDs. Obviously the latter observation doesn't apply to releases outside of the original Spacemen 3 body of work, such as some dubious live recordings that didn't impress me.


In terms of Palmer and legal issues, he seems to have the upper hand right now. If you read the full transcripts from the Enid bloke's legal action, it's obvious Palmer has an in-house lawyer who appears to be part of that ill-gotten media empire (some enterprising folks could investigate their relationship further, if willing to delve into any available public records relating to Palmer's various companies, tax returns, copyrights, etc). Unfortunately it looks like Palmer will always have the advantage, as long as he doesn't have to pay the exorbitant rates charged by external legal counsel.

I'm guessing the value of the rightful mechanical royalties due to various ex-Spacemen, would not necessarily produce enough revenue to fund the potentially costly legal action I suspect we here were all anticipating - following the unprecedented joint statement from PK and JP, now retracted.

Unless any such statements potentially contravene civil or criminal law, they should not impact on the validity and strength of any potential legal action. Unfortunately as the transcripts from the Enid case show - the law can indeed be an ass, even when you've got the Judge on your side :cry:
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby a beautiful shonn » Fri May 05, 2017 11:26 pm

an interesting read on the current state of affairs

https://thefutureheart.com/2017/05/04/p ... n-reunite/


i'm thinking, err hoping a reunion might be on the cards to pay for the legal costs to settle this. didn't J. say he was offered something crazy like 2-3 million to reform?
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby mh » Sat May 06, 2017 12:26 am

I don't think there can be a reunion so long as the current situation persists. Palmer's "ownership" of songs, merch rights, etc would totally scupper that; the nightmare scenario is that a reunion happens and all of the proceeds go to Palmer rather than to the band. Seems that whatever may or may not happen in the future, the Palmer situation needs to be resolved first.
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby mojo filters » Sat May 06, 2017 12:44 am

mh wrote:I don't think there can be a reunion so long as the current situation persists. Palmer's "ownership" of songs, merch rights, etc would totally scupper that; the nightmare scenario is that a reunion happens and all of the proceeds go to Palmer rather than to the band. Seems that whatever may or may not happen in the future, the Palmer situation needs to be resolved first.


When considering the prospect of a genuine Spacemen 3 reunion, I think Gerald Palmer would be the last concern of any importance, that comes to mind...

I would be very puzzled as to why such a coherent collection of artists, chose to so badly pollute their legacy, via this kind of cheap stunt.

Do other fans seriously think any kind of "reunion" is something to be happy about?

I was never lucky enough to see Spacemen 3 when they existed as a band. I wouldn't want to see some forced vague echo of a once-proud musical legacy turned into bullshit - would you?
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby a beautiful shonn » Sat May 06, 2017 2:11 am

why not? some reunions have been great, Stooges, SUICIDE, Love, Brain Wilson and the Beach Boys, The Specials, The Mary Chain, Slowdive, Ride, Stone Roses, MBV to name but a few. I don't think any of these bands have polluted their musical history. i think it opens the doors for generations that didn't have the opportunity, it also creates influence/inspiration on the younger generation of bands.

I've given up being a musical purist in the sense of musical purity, i get you, i was originally against J. playing LAGWAFIS in it's entirety until i eventually caved in and went and saw an absolutely amazing performance of an album that i have held dear since the day it was released. i respect any band that is still actively touring and releasing music no what matter it takes to secure the funding. i know first hand the industry is a bitch.

also as i stated if it sorts out the funding to proceed with legal action to resolve the issues with the label then yeah i'm all for it. absolutely count me in.
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby olan » Sat May 06, 2017 11:03 am

I really want a new Spectrum and Spiritualized LP. I'm very ambivalent about a reunion, but getting control of the back catalogue and sorting out a proper programme of reissues would be a good thing.

I was also very pleased to see news of an Alphastone reissue programme 8) and the promise of new material and a Darkside boxset :shock:. The Alphastone stuff is uniformly brilliant.
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Re: RSD rumour...

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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby spzretent » Sat May 06, 2017 4:33 pm

Why not a reunion?
For every fan who doesn't want to see I would bet there are 100 that would.
I dont tend to go see reunion shows but as Shonn mentioned, The Stooges here in Detroit in 2003 is burned in my memory.
I did blow off Ride, Slowdive, MBV because I saw them plenty the first time around.
Jason, Pete, Pete, Will etc have continued to either make music or still play live so I would totally be up for a reunion.
Oddly I am thinking of going to the UK to see some House Of Loves shows that totally blow my theory. :roll:
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby mc » Sun May 07, 2017 12:05 am

mojo filters wrote:
runaway wrote:
I'm embarrassed to ask (as I normally have an unhealthily long and geekish memory for such trivia) but what are the differences in tracklisting, between the original(s) and Space Age CD versions of Recurring?


I can't confirm this, but I'm pretty sure the Spaceage CD is the same as the 15-track original Fire CD (which is of course different to the original & reissued vinyl, but whatever). It does have a slightly different cover, though. Someone with more knowledge than me should confirm this...
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby mc » Sun May 07, 2017 12:10 am

mojo filters wrote:
I'm embarrassed to ask (as I normally have an unhealthily long and geekish memory for such trivia) but what are the differences in tracklisting, between the original(s) and Space Age CD versions of Recurring?


I can't confirm this, but I'm pretty sure the Spaceage CD is the same as the 15-track original Fire CD (which is of course different to the original & reissued vinyl, but whatever). It does have a slightly different cover, though. Someone with more knowledge than me should confirm this...

Reunion-wise? It's up to them. If J & Sonic reform Spacemen 3 and play together again, I'll move heaven and earth to see them. If they don't, I'll respect that decision forever.

(A more varied setlist would be good if they did reform. Revolution twice a night is not required :wink: )
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby angelsighs » Sun May 07, 2017 11:47 am

I have an open mind towards band reunions and comebacks. Sometimes they're crap. Sometimes they're not.

Leonard Cohen only started touring again LITERALLY because of money (having been swindled by his manager) yet the live shows were met with ecstatic reviews.

just imagine how good a Spacemen reunion setlist would be
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby veiko » Sun May 07, 2017 7:02 pm

angelsighs wrote:just imagine how good a Spacemen reunion setlist would be


Sorry, but i don't share this positive imagination. Sonic and Jason both have after SP3 split performed live their "own" songs, Jason has played over the years his own created songs with Spiritualized and both of them performed same songs while still doing Spacemen 3. Same drill all over again? Please, no.
And i'm sure there will be some dreadful people who are too drunk or taken some substances and then think the best thing is to yell between the songs: "Play again Revolution. Revolution, revolution, revolution, AGAIN!" That sucks.
But more ambitious ideas would be fun indeed, like let them recreate something in the vein of "Dreamweapon" or do one hour version of "Suicide", Jason certainly can pull out some wicked guitar slashing for that event.
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby Laz69 » Mon May 08, 2017 8:10 am

olan wrote:I was also very pleased to see news of an Alphastone reissue programme 8) and the promise of new material and a Darkside boxset :shock:. The Alphastone stuff is uniformly brilliant.


Yeah, this pleased me no end too as i think their output is pretty great, especially The Darkside, and is often overlooked when it comes to the SP3 offshoot.
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby angelsighs » Mon May 08, 2017 1:53 pm

veiko wrote:
angelsighs wrote:just imagine how good a Spacemen reunion setlist would be


Sorry, but i don't share this positive imagination. Sonic and Jason both have after SP3 split performed live their "own" songs, Jason has played over the years his own created songs with Spiritualized and both of them performed same songs while still doing Spacemen 3. Same drill all over again? Please, no.
And i'm sure there will be some dreadful people who are too drunk or taken some substances and then think the best thing is to yell between the songs: "Play again Revolution. Revolution, revolution, revolution, AGAIN!" That sucks.
But more ambitious ideas would be fun indeed, like let them recreate something in the vein of "Dreamweapon" or do one hour version of "Suicide", Jason certainly can pull out some wicked guitar slashing for that event.


There's still loads of Spacemen songs that haven't been aired in the live arena for many a year. Jason and Sonic have tended to stick to a limited pool. plus there's just the chemistry of having them back and I think it will sound different to either Spiritualized or Spectrum versions.

that said I like your idea of them doing an arty drone piece as a comeback.

I reckon this is all moot anyway as I don't think it's gonna happen.
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby toomilk » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:41 am

Well, remember when J said he would "never" do a full-album show?

I'm not overly optimistic, but I don't think it's off the table.
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby natty » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:34 am

Mixed feelings about it really, should it become a possibility. Their falling out was so public and so total, and their sniping at each other has continued over the years, although Pete has seemed more open to reconciliation than Jason. Not sure how a reunion would feel unless they genuinely started getting on again. Just trotting out the "hits" for financial reasons would be a bit depressing. Couldn't blame them for it, and of course I'd move heaven and earth to go, like :lol:

Just wondering who would even be in the line-up, seeing as Will has retired from music due to his tinnitus and Natty is no longer with us?
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby Laz69 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:51 am

natty wrote:Just wondering who would even be in the line-up, seeing as Will has retired from music due to his tinnitus and Natty is no longer with us?


I think Pete B and Rosco would be the most obvious choices, but that again might be canyons that can't be bridged. Sonic's touring band could step in to provide the backing too as they'll know a few songs well by now.

Don't see it happening myself.
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Re: RSD rumour...

Postby natty » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:47 pm

Laz69 wrote:
natty wrote:Just wondering who would even be in the line-up, seeing as Will has retired from music due to his tinnitus and Natty is no longer with us?


I think Pete B and Rosco would be the most obvious choices, but that again might be canyons that can't be bridged. Sonic's touring band could step in to provide the backing too as they'll know a few songs well by now.

Don't see it happening myself.


Would've thought Jonny was more likely to fill the drum stool than Rosco, he played at the Natty's benefit gig. Can't see him doing it without Will though.

Can't actually see it happening at all tbh.
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