guitar heroes (not clapton)
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guitar heroes (not clapton)
OK... i know lots of people think the guitar is dying but, if you like spz then u probably like the sound of guitars. So who do u think are the innovators of the instrument today? Who are the ones pushing it? My choices:
Nels Cline: if you have seen him live u know what i mean. he can play anything in any style and make it his own.
Marc Ribot: listen to some of his stuff with John Zorn's Masada or Los Cubanos Postizos. then listen to him on "Hoist That Rag" by Tom Waits. it is one of the greatest guitar songs you will ever hear (though it's not really a guitar song at all).
Lee Ranaldo/Thurston Moore: they are still accomplishing an outstanding mix of dissonance and harmony.
Nels Cline: if you have seen him live u know what i mean. he can play anything in any style and make it his own.
Marc Ribot: listen to some of his stuff with John Zorn's Masada or Los Cubanos Postizos. then listen to him on "Hoist That Rag" by Tom Waits. it is one of the greatest guitar songs you will ever hear (though it's not really a guitar song at all).
Lee Ranaldo/Thurston Moore: they are still accomplishing an outstanding mix of dissonance and harmony.
Wayne Rogers...Everything he was done from his solo stuff, Crystalized Movements, Magic Hour (with Damon & Naomi), and currently Major Stars is some of the most mind-expanded psychedelic guitar work since (dare I say) Jimi. The B.O.R.B. stuff was never quite structured enough for me and he's also had a bunch of other projects, too (Vermonster I think).
Anyways I think Major Stars is playing ATP (NBC) for those in England this year and I cannot recommend them enough. If you can find any of the C.M. or M.H. stuff (usually its in the bargain bins) it will be some short money well spent...
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Anyways I think Major Stars is playing ATP (NBC) for those in England this year and I cannot recommend them enough. If you can find any of the C.M. or M.H. stuff (usually its in the bargain bins) it will be some short money well spent...
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Ronald Jones- The man who made the old Flaming Lips noisy. A guitar wizard he was.
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um... not to be a party pooper, but wasnt the guy asking for more modern players? i think some of you have taken liberties with the authors definition of "today".
but yea, pajo is a great call. but fuck me, if zwan werent the worst thing since the smashing pumpkins (heh) then i dunno. omar rodriguez of at the drive-in/the mars volta is quite delightful at times, but has seemingly strayed irrecovably up santana's rear end. still, that first ep was terrific and the full length mars volta debut had some terrific face melting moments.
and of course, axls former buddy buckethead. prone to awful collaborations, and pointless shredding, but he is still mightly impressive. and some of his work on those gnr classics really was something to behold (my favourite solo ever is that slash outro on nightrain, appetite version - with the live era version not far behind. well, bucket at leeds fest 2002 really was quite ridiculous, but the good ridiculous in so far as he nearly knocked slash off his perch with his own nightrain solo. its an absolute joy to behold.) bumblefoot (yea, axl does have a thing for stupidly named guitarists, though thankfully this guy looks like a gunner, as opposed to bucketheads kfc fetish and fincks former transvestite robot look) isnt half bad either - and does a pretty tasty solo version of dont cry (that axl wont fucking sing).
and of course me!
but yea, pajo is a great call. but fuck me, if zwan werent the worst thing since the smashing pumpkins (heh) then i dunno. omar rodriguez of at the drive-in/the mars volta is quite delightful at times, but has seemingly strayed irrecovably up santana's rear end. still, that first ep was terrific and the full length mars volta debut had some terrific face melting moments.
and of course, axls former buddy buckethead. prone to awful collaborations, and pointless shredding, but he is still mightly impressive. and some of his work on those gnr classics really was something to behold (my favourite solo ever is that slash outro on nightrain, appetite version - with the live era version not far behind. well, bucket at leeds fest 2002 really was quite ridiculous, but the good ridiculous in so far as he nearly knocked slash off his perch with his own nightrain solo. its an absolute joy to behold.) bumblefoot (yea, axl does have a thing for stupidly named guitarists, though thankfully this guy looks like a gunner, as opposed to bucketheads kfc fetish and fincks former transvestite robot look) isnt half bad either - and does a pretty tasty solo version of dont cry (that axl wont fucking sing).
and of course me!
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I know what you mean jack white, but he knows it was a mistake and he got out of it, and he won't be doing that again. everything else he puts out himself is magical.jack white wrote:but yea, pajo is a great call. but fuck me, if zwan werent the worst thing since the smashing pumpkins (heh) then i dunno.
what about the damned kember/pierce interplay? i was just listening to "taking drugs to make music...", and those noise "solos" sounds just like a fucked up harmonica played for a power-plant-worker-delivered blues....... and, besides, jason is one of the greatest singers of the rock era... awww fuck i'm gonna play it again
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Most 'rock' guitarists are fucking awful. Fashion dictates a lot of new bands have to have a really shitty, scratchy trebly tone...just like records from 1979 they probably haven't even heard.
Manuel above is correct. The Spacemen's tone was awesome. I'm sure so many learned to play by listening to them, they were never flashy or anything.
I also think the likes of J Coxon and Doggen are definitely underrated apart from those who know what they do. The Coxon/Doggen/Spaceman live guitar-power-trio is fucking insane to witness!
I would argue the Jack White - poster here and Raconteur - is an excellent guitarist too. Again, all about that tone. But shit...he's really good.
Manuel above is correct. The Spacemen's tone was awesome. I'm sure so many learned to play by listening to them, they were never flashy or anything.
I also think the likes of J Coxon and Doggen are definitely underrated apart from those who know what they do. The Coxon/Doggen/Spaceman live guitar-power-trio is fucking insane to witness!
I would argue the Jack White - poster here and Raconteur - is an excellent guitarist too. Again, all about that tone. But shit...he's really good.
jack white wrote:um... not to be a party pooper, but wasnt the guy asking for more modern players? i think some of you have taken liberties with the authors definition of "today".
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most of the ones mentioned are still releasing albums so as far as i'm concerened new material counts as 'today' unless you mean the actual definition of 'today' which would mean no one as new music is not released on a friday, in the uk at the least...
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jack white wrote:billy childish is lucky he didnt end up like jason stollsteimer.
Oh yeah???
My money'll be on the most childish one. Jack White may have more pounds per punch but he'll tire quickly. Billy has muscle tone & does that Tia Chi master stuff.
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been learning 'this charming man' and while trying to learn realised how incredilble johnny marr is. i can't believe he can/could write guitar parts as cool as the ones on the song and also on what how soon is now and bigmouth etc.
quite impressed with the longcuts guitar work also. simple but yet so effective!
quite impressed with the longcuts guitar work also. simple but yet so effective!
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Jonny Marr plays guitar
John Kettley is a weatherman and so is Michael Fish
Yep, I salute Jonny Marr. But, I must admit I have not heard of some of the people mentioned on here by others. David Gilmour, I like Pink Floyd so I will add him. George Harrison, his guitar gently weeps.
Perhaps I should get back over there on the fence before my choices are all shot down.
John Kettley is a weatherman and so is Michael Fish
Yep, I salute Jonny Marr. But, I must admit I have not heard of some of the people mentioned on here by others. David Gilmour, I like Pink Floyd so I will add him. George Harrison, his guitar gently weeps.
Perhaps I should get back over there on the fence before my choices are all shot down.
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you (everyone!) gotta see the "all-star" tribute tom petty, prince, his son and loads of other people who i cant remember did on vh1 or some crap. prince fucking rips the arse out of everything (ever!).Flathaddock wrote:Jonny Marr plays guitar
George Harrison, his guitar gently weeps.
so much so, that im actually embarrassed i forgot to list him. but then by my rules he isnt 'today', so really all you rule breakers should feel embarrassed (unless someone did mention him and ive missed it).
here is it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ND7wSZj-L0
bonko's.
(and also, robbie robertson should have been mentioned by those living in yesterdays today.)
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Jack White, thanks for that link, I enjoyed watching that cover of George's 'while my guitar gently weeps'. You are right, Prince certainly can play guitar. I have no idea how to play a guitar but it looked like Tom Petty, Jeff Lynne and Danni Harrison did quite a good job themselves.
Ok you said guitarists from today and obviosuly George Harrison is now making music elsewhere so he can not be counted and I am unsure what Jonny Marr is up to just now. I would have added John Squire but I am also unsure what he is up to now. Well as I am no expert on guitar ability, can I stick with David Gilmour as he still makes musc and could I add Bernard Butler, everyone may think he is shit but I like some of his music and he is fairly relevant as a guitarist from today.
Also that link allowed me to watch more videos featuring songs by George Harrison so thanks for that I was/am a big fan of his and that was a lovely early afternoon moment. Thanks.
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Ok you said guitarists from today and obviosuly George Harrison is now making music elsewhere so he can not be counted and I am unsure what Jonny Marr is up to just now. I would have added John Squire but I am also unsure what he is up to now. Well as I am no expert on guitar ability, can I stick with David Gilmour as he still makes musc and could I add Bernard Butler, everyone may think he is shit but I like some of his music and he is fairly relevant as a guitarist from today.
Also that link allowed me to watch more videos featuring songs by George Harrison so thanks for that I was/am a big fan of his and that was a lovely early afternoon moment. Thanks.
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I agree that TONE is the thing.For me, I don't care how quickly u can play a scale and if u start with the high note wheedlie wheedlie weeee guitar jack off then i have to turn u off. It's what notes you play... not how many. I love going to the guitar store to mess around on the gear. I can guarantee that I'll be the only one strumming chords while everyone else is setting fire to the fretboards. Of course maybe if i could rip a C# chromatic scale in half i would... but it would stil sound like shit to me.
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The Greatest Bass Player In The World, true genius, electronic pioneer, jazz man, friend of Aphex and Bill Bailey lookalike - SQUAREPUSHER.
Tom Jenkinson showing how it should be done...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAd3stS85w
Tom Jenkinson showing how it should be done...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAd3stS85w
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duppyconquerer wrote:The Greatest Bass Player In The World, true genius, electronic pioneer, jazz man, friend of Aphex and Bill Bailey lookalike - SQUAREPUSHER.
Tom Jenkinson showing how it should be done...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAd3stS85w
Yeah nice enough guy and all but that alone isn't enough proof to convince me.
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he's good though isn't he?The Jig wrote:duppyconquerer wrote:The Greatest Bass Player In The World, true genius, electronic pioneer, jazz man, friend of Aphex and Bill Bailey lookalike - SQUAREPUSHER.
Tom Jenkinson showing how it should be done...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAd3stS85w
Yeah nice enough guy and all but that alone isn't enough proof to convince me.
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who?a beautiful noise wrote:fuck off, they are all pointless.
theres only one true choice.
kevin shields.
leave your scale shredding to the twats done at guitar center.
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the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
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the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
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More. No order, really. Some carry over. (Neil & Jamerson to the 70s, etc.)
50s - Grant Green.
60s - Jim Hall. Roger McGuinn. Clarence White. Lou Reed. Sterling Morrison. Johnny Echols. Neil Young. Zal Yanovsky (!). Brother Wayne Kramer. Joan Baez. Sneeky Pete.
70s - Quine. Verlaine. Lloyd. Johnny Thunders.
80s - Pierce. Plus, whichever one of the Reids played louder.
90s - McCabe.
Bass.
50s - Paul Chambers. Doug Watkins (died '62). Percy Heath.
60s - Richard Davis. Ron Carter. Jimmy Garrison. Bob Cranshaw (the world's most underrated living musician?). Min....gus? James Jamerson. Chris Hillman. (York and Battin weren't slouches either.) Duck Dunn. Ken Forssi. Sterling Morrison (look it up). Michael Davis (MC5). I'm sure there's more. The one from Buffalo Springfield was pretty awesome when he wasn't in jail. Carol Kaye.
70s - Mostly, see 60s. Richard Hell, I guess.
80s - ??? not really a bass decade. You can't even hear bass on the fucking CDs. Who was selling records then - Mark King? Christ.
90s - Simon Jones. Not Will Carruthers.
Whaddya want next? Tenors?
50s - Grant Green.
60s - Jim Hall. Roger McGuinn. Clarence White. Lou Reed. Sterling Morrison. Johnny Echols. Neil Young. Zal Yanovsky (!). Brother Wayne Kramer. Joan Baez. Sneeky Pete.
70s - Quine. Verlaine. Lloyd. Johnny Thunders.
80s - Pierce. Plus, whichever one of the Reids played louder.
90s - McCabe.
Bass.
50s - Paul Chambers. Doug Watkins (died '62). Percy Heath.
60s - Richard Davis. Ron Carter. Jimmy Garrison. Bob Cranshaw (the world's most underrated living musician?). Min....gus? James Jamerson. Chris Hillman. (York and Battin weren't slouches either.) Duck Dunn. Ken Forssi. Sterling Morrison (look it up). Michael Davis (MC5). I'm sure there's more. The one from Buffalo Springfield was pretty awesome when he wasn't in jail. Carol Kaye.
70s - Mostly, see 60s. Richard Hell, I guess.
80s - ??? not really a bass decade. You can't even hear bass on the fucking CDs. Who was selling records then - Mark King? Christ.
90s - Simon Jones. Not Will Carruthers.
Whaddya want next? Tenors?
John Reis and Rick Froberg, in any incarnation or combination. Absolutely fucking ridiculously fantastic.
Omar Rodriguez (At The Drive-In era, when he was progressive without being boring as fuck).
The guy from Dead Meadow (not sure of his name).
John Dwyer (Coachwhips). Pure dumb genius.
Oh yeah and whoever said Don Devore, good call. The last Ink & Dagger album is fantastic.
Omar Rodriguez (At The Drive-In era, when he was progressive without being boring as fuck).
The guy from Dead Meadow (not sure of his name).
John Dwyer (Coachwhips). Pure dumb genius.
Oh yeah and whoever said Don Devore, good call. The last Ink & Dagger album is fantastic.
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Nick McCabe, without doubt.
-Sounded different on every record
-Never sounded bored or out of ideas
-Genius use of effects-his guitar never sounded 'watery' or fake
-Never played any song exactly the same-listening to him play live is always a new experience
-Turned Urban Hymns and most of Ashcroft songs into gold (don't care what Ashcroft says, he's lost without McCabe)
-Never went 'cock-rock', despite being in a million-selling band
-One of the few lead guitarists in living memory who leaves behind an untarnished record of greatness.
Trying to convey why and how much you like your favourite guitarist never comes out right. But McCabe is definitely untouchable.
Honorary second place for Mick Ronson, just for his lead playing on Starman.
-Sounded different on every record
-Never sounded bored or out of ideas
-Genius use of effects-his guitar never sounded 'watery' or fake
-Never played any song exactly the same-listening to him play live is always a new experience
-Turned Urban Hymns and most of Ashcroft songs into gold (don't care what Ashcroft says, he's lost without McCabe)
-Never went 'cock-rock', despite being in a million-selling band
-One of the few lead guitarists in living memory who leaves behind an untarnished record of greatness.
Trying to convey why and how much you like your favourite guitarist never comes out right. But McCabe is definitely untouchable.
Honorary second place for Mick Ronson, just for his lead playing on Starman.
i very nearly mentioned the guy from dead meadow too.. but then i started wondering which guy in particular.
to be honest it's all about how well the drums, guitar and bass work together. hearing them live is just out of this world...
the bassist in particular just seems to get so caught up in the groove that he's playing - check out 'beyond the fields we know' on their self-titled lp.. it's just amazing! in fact just get that album, you won't regret it.
to be honest it's all about how well the drums, guitar and bass work together. hearing them live is just out of this world...
the bassist in particular just seems to get so caught up in the groove that he's playing - check out 'beyond the fields we know' on their self-titled lp.. it's just amazing! in fact just get that album, you won't regret it.
I'd have to agree with that radioshack, some nice clips on YouTube with just Ashcoft + McCabe....radioshack wrote:Nick McCabe, without doubt.
-Sounded different on every record
-Never sounded bored or out of ideas
-Genius use of effects-his guitar never sounded 'watery' or fake
-Never played any song exactly the same-listening to him play live is always a new experience
-Turned Urban Hymns and most of Ashcroft songs into gold (don't care what Ashcroft says, he's lost without McCabe)
-Never went 'cock-rock', despite being in a million-selling band
-One of the few lead guitarists in living memory who leaves behind an untarnished record of greatness.
Trying to convey why and how much you like your favourite guitarist never comes out right. But McCabe is definitely untouchable.
Honorary second place for Mick Ronson, just for his lead playing on Starman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq8bqvKQ9qc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtJdRBi4s-E
While searching these links have just noticed theres a load of songs from their haigh Hall gig!! I'll have to watch those later :)
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Hmm....there's so many. Of what style? I have different influences for different styles. These are some good general ones:
-James Williamson/ Ron Asheton
-Marc Bolan
--Chuck Berry
-Angus Young
-Cheetah Chrome
-Mark Knopfler
-Johnny Hickman
-Greg Hetson
-Hendrix
-Jeff Beck
-The Hellacopters (Nicke, Strings and Dregen)
And though I agree with the Clapton bashing, this will sound funny: I was listening to a heavy blues psych album by Martha Velez, called "Fiends And Angels" from 1969, and the lead guitar player was amazing. Didn't know who he was. The tone was fuzzed out, heavy, and mind blowing. Turns out it was Eric Clapton (wasn't listed in the liners), and this stuff was miles better than the Cream stuff, even. I don't know who convinced him to set his fuzz pedals to "hell", or to play that fast and heavy, but if he'd stayed like that, he wouldn't be known as the king of watered down blues rock. I strongly recommend that people check out the track "I'm Gonna Leave You"....it's like an entirely different guy.
-James Williamson/ Ron Asheton
-Marc Bolan
--Chuck Berry
-Angus Young
-Cheetah Chrome
-Mark Knopfler
-Johnny Hickman
-Greg Hetson
-Hendrix
-Jeff Beck
-The Hellacopters (Nicke, Strings and Dregen)
And though I agree with the Clapton bashing, this will sound funny: I was listening to a heavy blues psych album by Martha Velez, called "Fiends And Angels" from 1969, and the lead guitar player was amazing. Didn't know who he was. The tone was fuzzed out, heavy, and mind blowing. Turns out it was Eric Clapton (wasn't listed in the liners), and this stuff was miles better than the Cream stuff, even. I don't know who convinced him to set his fuzz pedals to "hell", or to play that fast and heavy, but if he'd stayed like that, he wouldn't be known as the king of watered down blues rock. I strongly recommend that people check out the track "I'm Gonna Leave You"....it's like an entirely different guy.
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I always preferred Drive Like Jehu to Hot Snakes, but you can't go wrong with either.Samuel wrote:John Reis and Rick Froberg, in any incarnation or combination. Absolutely fucking ridiculously fantastic.
Omar Rodriguez (At The Drive-In era, when he was progressive without being boring as fuck).
The guy from Dead Meadow (not sure of his name).
John Dwyer (Coachwhips). Pure dumb genius.
Oh yeah and whoever said Don Devore, good call. The last Ink & Dagger album is fantastic.
I think the guy from Dead Meadow is called Jason Simon.
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i think you mean a northern soul; there's meant to be an earlier/'mccabe' mix which was amazing, really heavy, and was heard by various musicians, like jason. i'm not quite sure where such reports originated, it'd be interesting to hear though. i've gone off the verve entirely but a less ashcrofty/jim morrison-y style of lp would be interesting.i still really wanna hear the supposedly 'dark' version of urban hymns that someone mentioned on here......er, AGES ago. i reckons that'd be ace.
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anorthernsoul wrote: i think you mean a northern soul; there's meant to be an earlier/'mccabe' mix which was amazing, really heavy, and was heard by various musicians, like jason. i'm not quite sure where such reports originated, it'd be interesting to hear though.
It is A Northern Soul that has a heavier mix. Maybe there is an Urban Hymns alt mix too.
Jason actaully told me about the ANS mix. That is the only place I ever heard about it.
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scratch wrote:There are earlier versions of some urban hymns floating around, but they don´t have mccabe on them at all so I never bothered...
not different mixes but different recordings/demoes of course
there's an urban demo cd with demos (obviously) and also unreleased tracks and tracks that would later apear on solo albums, it's not bad, i have it around somewhere...
'raging and weeping are left on the early road
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'
now each in his holy hill
the glittering and hurting days are alomst done
then let us compare mythologies
i have learned my elaborate lie
of soaring crosses and poisened thorns'